My point was Toronto isn't trading Guirrel plus prospects for JRam, that is all for that part...
Next is the fact JRam leaves money on the table in 22 and 23 if he doesn't sign an extension... he leaves like 20 million there, then he sets himself up to being only able to play for big market teams, which has been stated by a credible source, JRam personally wants nothing to do with a big market team...
Fans were super pissed when we traded Lindor and we start the Guardians era by trading JRam... PR nightmare right there... may as well just sign Bauer back to the organization since that would be an easier PR nightmare to deal with... Thats how important getting JRam extended is. It is a business and sometimes the best thing in a business to do is find a way to keep your best asset not let it go. Honestly you go way way way too far in your dislike/how much you are against resigning JRam, if you aren't against it then how come you hate on the idea so much?
Bimbo is usually right on the money when it comes to stuff and if he says they have started talking about an extension then that tells me, both parties at least on paper think an extension is a good idea, especially when JRams agent rarely has players go to free agency... JRam loses no money AAV wise by signing that extension, replacing 22 and 23 with the 21ish million a season rather than 11 and 13... then in free agency he would get 30ish million a season so 4/84 is equal to what he would get in 22-25 if he didn't get the extension and signed in free agency... so 4/84 area is on the table.... The thing that contract would end at his age 33 season. If I was his agent I'd like him signed a couple more seasons longer. That would make a 6/144... 24 million a season even if year 6 is an option year with a 5 million buyout that's still 125 guaranteed... Guardians need a splash and spending the largest contract ever offered by the organization to keep a MVP candidate, I think is a splash don't you?
I would be all in for keeping Jose Ramirez.. YOU HAVE THIS ABSOLUTELY WRONG !!.. QUIT CHANGING WORDS TO FIT A CONCURRENT PATH THAT I AM EXTOLLING.. JUST STOP IT !!
History says BS on JRam resigning here....
and your math is creative if not flawed:
JRam's representation will want his client to achieve at least an AAV of $30 MM/ year.. Five or six years: NOT 4!! All of it guaranteed.. no team options..player determined opt outs.. That includes the 2022 and 2023 seasons. If it doesn't.. NO EXTENSION! @ five years an extension looks like this: 11 + 13 + 3 seasons at $ 42 MM = Five years @ $ 30 MM AAV = $ 150 MM. The only change you'll see with this would be a possible 6th year.. making the it 4 season @ $ 39 MM plus the two option years..
There is NO MONEY BEING LEFT ON THE TABLE by Jose Ramirez. Any extension will make that moot.
You've watched player after player after player walk out of Cleveland to riches elsewhere. All the while, claiming they want end their careers on the North Coast.. Thome, CC, Lofton, Albert, Manny, Lindor.. etc etc etc.. (for every extended player..I'll show you ten that didn't) Every one of them has professed their intent to be an Indian for life.. The truth of the matter.. they'll be Indians for life as long as the Indians pay fair market rates.. perhaps a little below as a minor discount.. but not enough for it to matter.. When a player is honest enough to claim he's going to become a FA.. he is CASTIGATED as a NON TEAM MEMBER.. AS SELFISH. AS A BASTARD.. So.. why would any player make a statement to the contrary????.. because they want to be harangued and criticized by the tens of people who read the Cleveland Plain Dull?.. who listen to big mouth drennan?.. read the mindless scribblings of terry pluto?.. Jeff schudell?.. any of them have a kind word to say about a departing player?.. (don't answer this.. anyone who's within ear shot or has a computer knows this to be true)
Sadly.. you know I'm not a fan of trading star players..they're the one teams rely on to lead the team to wins that matter.. but.. to repeat the out going mayor's words.. "..we know what the problems are.. we've known what they are for years.. We know what the solutions are.. we've known those for years, too.. It is what it is..."
So quit throwing bravado and non-binding gossip about tea leaves and inside dope..because it's all tripe.. Jose Ramirez will remain in a cleveland uniform as long as he's doesn't claim he's leaving.. If the CleFO decides to push it with the leverage they're "only" going to pay him $ 24 MM over the next two years.. it will hasten his departure.. cutting our collective noses to spite our face..
So it might be worthwhile to consider realistic trades that would protect the team's future..
..as much as I wouldn't want it to happen..
