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2021-2022 Cavaliers General Discussion: Trade Deadline Edition

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Who Should the Cavs Trade For?

  • Murray

    Votes: 18 37.5%
  • Lavert

    Votes: 17 35.4%
  • White

    Votes: 1 2.1%
  • Seth Curry

    Votes: 1 2.1%
  • Schroeder

    Votes: 7 14.6%
  • Tatum

    Votes: 3 6.3%
  • Hart

    Votes: 3 6.3%
  • Ingram

    Votes: 1 2.1%
  • Brown

    Votes: 2 4.2%
  • Jim Chones

    Votes: 9 18.8%

  • Total voters
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Sexton will turn it on in the regular season. Thats my guess. Im extremely biased as hes my fave player and I feel all teams need a scoring guard so take what I said how you want to



If we are talking starting lineups, I just cannot include Sexton the way hes played so far. Rubio and Garland just looked too damn good
For what’s it worth… if need to choose between the 3 i’ll choose Sexton because he at least have proven he is an nba level scorer and durable so far, I guess the ideal role for him is the Utah version of Jordan Clarkson…

Garland is smooth and easy on the eye with his style but something is off, don’t see him being a main cog on a winning team plus he seems to get hurt a lot… Okoro so far is on the MKG trajectory (hope am wrong)…
 
Sexton will turn it on in the regular season. Thats my guess. Im extremely biased as hes my fave player and I feel all teams need a scoring guard so take what I said how you want to



If we are talking starting lineups, I just cannot include Sexton the way hes played so far. Rubio and Garland just looked too damn good

Sexton and Garland could just be working on shots and moves that they tried to add to their game during the off-season. They just have to now adjust them for game speed and how defenders react to them. Both Sexton and Garland have their shots that they know they can fall back to and provide at least the scoring they had last year. I'd rather they take those questionable shots in preseason in a high volume than trying to figure out those things during the regular season.

My concern is Okoro since he doesn't really have anything to fall back on with offense from last season. He is the one that doesn't look like he has made any progress.
 
Fedor quoting Bickerstaff on using Markkanen at small forward:

I’m extremely comfortable now,” Bickerstaff said when asked about Markkanen playing that spot. “Watching him in practice and seeing how well he moves his feet defensively and all those things, it’s one of those things where I believe he’s one of our best players. We have to do what we can to get him on the floor so he can help us. You see the strength of our bigs and the fact that they are so versatile and they can play next to each other, you can get them out there on the floor. We were looking at it this morning at shootaround. They were covering the whole court.”

My knee jerk starting lineup after watching last night's game is Rubio, Sexton, Marky, Love, and Mobley. I'm going with a nine-man rotation. It was a toss-up between Allen and Mobley but last year Allen and Garland were an effective middle pick-and-roll combo so I'd like to play them together.

Allen, Mobley, and Love share the 96 minutes between C and PF.

Markkanen and Windler share the 48 minutes at SF.

Garland, Sexton, Rubio and Okoro share the 96 minutes between PG and SG. It's been reported that some within the Cavs organization think Okoro should be a 2 and I agree.

I'm not crazy about Allen and Mobley on the floor at the same time because neither has an outside shot. Their defenders can just slough off and hang out at the edge of the paint, clogging the middle.

The lineup that worked best last night had Rubio, Mobley, and three guys who can hit 3's; Garland, Love, and Markkanen. A high P&R combo plus three long range shooters. That makes more sense than putting two seven-footers who have no offensive game either on the perimeter or in the post on the floor together. We tried that last year with Allen and Drummond.

It will be interesting as we go through the first ten games or so to see what lineups emerge and how many minutes per game Allen and Mobley are in the game together. The team has made a huge investment in both of them, but are their games compatible?
 
Fedor also noted that Love is playing well and is considered one of the Cavs' top eight players and has earned a spot in the rotation.

We want Kevin to play as many games as he possibly can this year....to be honest with you, he’s been good. He’s making shots. He’s facilitating. He’s rebounding the ball. And he’s all about what we’re doing, which is the fun part. You see his attitude. - JBB

Fedor pointed out that four of the Cavs' top eight players are either centers or power forwards, which is not ideal. Moving Markkanen to small forward would help alleviate that imbalance and make sure Allen and Mobley get all the minutes they need and deserve while the team also takes advantage of what Love brings to the table.

I also think we're better with Rubio and either Garland or Sexton in the backcourt rather than Garland and Sexton playing together. When it comes down to the final minutes of close games it will be interesting to see if JBB goes with his starting backcourt or Rubio and either Garland or Sexton. If he goes with Rubio, then which one will be the other guard on the floor when the game is being decided?
 
My overreaction…. Garland,Sexton and Okoro in the starting lineup would not result to winning…. Need 2 of them traded, the one left relegated to the 2nd unit

giving up on sexland+okoro would be admitting to koby‘s failure for all to see, also Dan‘s failure since koby was his choice. Going to be hard to do that

still find it hard to believe Okoro was a #5 pick, usually even when someone is a bust you can see some reason why they were picked high, maybe they are really tall or move like an NBA player even though they lack skills, with Okoro it’s just, like, huh?
 
Fedor quoting Bickerstaff on using Markkanen at small forward:

I’m extremely comfortable now,” Bickerstaff said when asked about Markkanen playing that spot. “Watching him in practice and seeing how well he moves his feet defensively and all those things, it’s one of those things where I believe he’s one of our best players. We have to do what we can to get him on the floor so he can help us. You see the strength of our bigs and the fact that they are so versatile and they can play next to each other, you can get them out there on the floor. We were looking at it this morning at shootaround. They were covering the whole court.”

My knee jerk starting lineup after watching last night's game is Rubio, Sexton, Marky, Love, and Mobley. I'm going with a nine-man rotation. It was a toss-up between Allen and Mobley but last year Allen and Garland were an effective middle pick-and-roll combo so I'd like to play them together.

Allen, Mobley, and Love share the 96 minutes between C and PF.

Markkanen and Windler share the 48 minutes at SF.

Garland, Sexton, Rubio and Okoro share the 96 minutes between PG and SG. It's been reported that some within the Cavs organization think Okoro should be a 2 and I agree.

I'm not crazy about Allen and Mobley on the floor at the same time because neither has an outside shot. Their defenders can just slough off and hang out at the edge of the paint, clogging the middle.

The lineup that worked best last night had Rubio, Mobley, and three guys who can hit 3's; Garland, Love, and Markkanen. A high P&R combo plus three long range shooters. That makes more sense than putting two seven-footers who have no offensive game either on the perimeter or in the post on the floor together. We tried that last year with Allen and Drummond.

It will be interesting as we go through the first ten games or so to see what lineups emerge and how many minutes per game Allen and Mobley are in the game together. The team has made a huge investment in both of them, but are their games compatible?

Going to be hard to start Rubio because the team is really committed to developing Garland. I don’t see it happening even if Rubio does clearly make us better in the short run
 
giving up on sexland+okoro would be admitting to koby‘s failure for all to see, also Dan‘s failure since koby was his choice. Going to be hard to do that

still find it hard to believe Okoro was a #5 pick, usually even when someone is a bust you can see some reason why they were picked high, maybe they are really tall or move like an NBA player even though they lack skills, with Okoro it’s just, like, huh?

KOBY NAILED THE REBUILD!
 
Man. You guys are brutal.. I agree that the back court is dysfunctional, but I am wondering how much of that is JBB.. He seems to lean toward big men ( which will be good for Mobley), and it seems he knows what to do with them. But TBH, I have not seen this team progress offensively in three years..We can pretty much count on scoring just north of 20 points a quarter, but when we can't defend the opponent to that number ( which is going to be most of the time), we will lose.. I can see putting a the blame on players to some extent, but if you have three top ten pick guards and they all stagnate, you gotta ask WTF.
 
We don't have a premier point guard prospect.

For an example of what one of those looks like, watch a Charlotte game. The difference just immediately jumps off the screen.

And I'm not saying that to be sarcastic.

The point is generally, if a guy is going be a truly special player, you see it pretty early.

You see it with LaMelo every night he plays.
Absolutely correct . I watch the hornets as well and they actually look like they run an offense .
 
Sexton and Garland could just be working on shots and moves that they tried to add to their game during the off-season. They just have to now adjust them for game speed and how defenders react to them. Both Sexton and Garland have their shots that they know they can fall back to and provide at least the scoring they had last year. I'd rather they take those questionable shots in preseason in a high volume than trying to figure out those things during the regular season.

My concern is Okoro since he doesn't really have anything to fall back on with offense from last season. He is the one that doesn't look like he has made any progress.
I bet Okoro is far more useful running the offense than Sexland are. Better than Rubio no.
He won't get the chance before he is traded for a top 55 protected if history proves accurate, but people need to be a little more patient with him imo. A lot of what he does well is overlooked because it doesn't show up in the statsheet. People saying he doesn't play defense imo don't know how to play defense. Does he need to attack the rim and take some shots yep, is that his fault or JBB's? I think it's the latter for now and once the reg. season hits it will change a little. It better
 
Man. You guys are brutal.. I agree that the back court is dysfunctional, but I am wondering how much of that is JBB.. He seems to lean toward big men ( which will be good for Mobley), and it seems he knows what to do with them. But TBH, I have not seen this team progress offensively in three years..We can pretty much count on scoring just north of 20 points a quarter, but when we can't defend the opponent to that number ( which is going to be most of the time), we will lose.. I can see putting a the blame on players to some extent, but if you have three top ten pick guards and they all stagnate, you gotta ask WTF.

I don't think it is a coincidence that both Sexton and Galrand look out of sorts.

The additions of Mobley and Markannen -- plus the re-incorporation of a (temporarily) healthy Kevin Love) -- has meant a significant shift in offensive emphasis to which I think the guards are still adjusting. Last year, they had to carry the scoring/usage load out of necessity, and that's how they played. We were a backcourt-centered team. This year, they are expected to push a lot of that towards the frontcourt, and I think it is going to take at least 20 games for them to get comfortable with this more balanced frontcourt/backcourt scoring balance.

It looks bad right now, but I think if we consider the magnitude of this offensive change, it is more understandable.
 
Fedor quoting Bickerstaff on using Markkanen at small forward:

I’m extremely comfortable now,” Bickerstaff said when asked about Markkanen playing that spot. “Watching him in practice and seeing how well he moves his feet defensively and all those things, it’s one of those things where I believe he’s one of our best players. We have to do what we can to get him on the floor so he can help us. You see the strength of our bigs and the fact that they are so versatile and they can play next to each other, you can get them out there on the floor. We were looking at it this morning at shootaround. They were covering the whole court.”

My knee jerk starting lineup after watching last night's game is Rubio, Sexton, Marky, Love, and Mobley. I'm going with a nine-man rotation. It was a toss-up between Allen and Mobley but last year Allen and Garland were an effective middle pick-and-roll combo so I'd like to play them together.

Allen, Mobley, and Love share the 96 minutes between C and PF.

Markkanen and Windler share the 48 minutes at SF.

Garland, Sexton, Rubio and Okoro share the 96 minutes between PG and SG. It's been reported that some within the Cavs organization think Okoro should be a 2 and I agree.

I'm not crazy about Allen and Mobley on the floor at the same time because neither has an outside shot. Their defenders can just slough off and hang out at the edge of the paint, clogging the middle.

The lineup that worked best last night had Rubio, Mobley, and three guys who can hit 3's; Garland, Love, and Markkanen. A high P&R combo plus three long range shooters. That makes more sense than putting two seven-footers who have no offensive game either on the perimeter or in the post on the floor together. We tried that last year with Allen and Drummond.

It will be interesting as we go through the first ten games or so to see what lineups emerge and how many minutes per game Allen and Mobley are in the game together. The team has made a huge investment in both of them, but are their games compatible?
JBB is either lying or clueless. I went back and watched again, focusing on Markkanen on D. He’s terrible. He’s slow and out out of position all the time. Whoever he was guarding had a wide open shot whenever they wanted.
 
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