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Naylor has been miscast as a right fielder.

If he's gonna play the outfield, it should be across the green.

One of the problems we had this season was to try to fit square pegs into round holes, and it hurt everybody involved.

The final Bauer trial...which I supported...forced Naylor into the outfield...and then into a situation in which he was forced to play two separate positions.

The lack of anybody who resembled a real live CF and the wish to play Gimenez at short forced Amed into CF...both moves I supported, but only if Tito and the FO stuck to the plan, which they immediately abandoned.

If I was the GM, that wouldn't happen again.
 
Naylor has a solid foundation from which to build on.

He has good contact skills and doesn't K much. He hits the ball as hard as Bradley, and hits it hard as often as Bradley. He has the same raw power and higher in game power. The difference so far is that Naylor hits doubles, while Bradley hits home runs.

But Naylor isn't Yandy Diaz, nothing but hard hit grounders. His launch angle, not great yet, has risen every year. Its easier to improve a launch angle than to improve contact skills.

Had Naylor not gotten hurt, it is possible that he, not Bradley, would be penciled in as the 2022 1B.
 
It can be tricky though to improve launch angle without sacrificing much contact. Either way he's still very young so there's hope.
 
Criznit said:
There is no doubt Vargas is talented but he hasn't pitched above short season A ball and has missed the last 2 years. He is certainly more Luis Oviedo than Daniel Espino.

I'm sure they'll keep him but have to wonder if there are better uses for his roster spot.
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Hey Criz, not everyone is going to agree on who should be protected and who shouldn't. Vargas' oozes talent but missed an entire 2020 season due to covid like all the other prospects and then had TJS last April I believe.. I've been a Vargas fan for awhile now and I believe he is recovering/recovered very well from his surgery. He's a definite lock for the 40 man for me, but a question that is likely difficult to answer is who would you be protecting to part ways with Vargas? He would surely be claimed and probably very quickly. I know pitchers throw harder these days, but guys that hit 100 still don't grow on trees. He could easily be one that zips through the system and ends up in Cleveland's BP. Just my $.02.
 
CATS44 said:
Naylor has a solid foundation from which to build on.

He has good contact skills and doesn't K much. He hits the ball as hard as Bradley, and hits it hard as often as Bradley. He has the same raw power and higher in game power. The difference so far is that Naylor hits doubles, while Bradley hits home runs.

But Naylor isn't Yandy Diaz, nothing but hard hit grounders. His launch angle, not great yet, has risen every year. Its easier to improve a launch angle than to improve contact skills.

Had Naylor not gotten hurt, it is possible that he, not Bradley, would be penciled in as the 2022 1B.
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We're all entitled to our opinions, but I doubt the majority of folks would agree that Naylor "has the same raw power and higher in game power" than Bradley. In 583 major league AB, Naylor is slugging a robust .389. Meanwhile, Bradley is slugging .431 in 290 major league AB. Their minor league numbers bear relatively the same difference. Bradley slugged .501 and Naylor .439. When you combine that with what is evident to the naked eye, the conclusion is easy. Bradley has more power than Naylor and it's not even close. Especially when given that Naylor has a better bat to ball skill.

Naylor could be a good hitter with moderate power. He's not right now and I don't see it happening, but he has that potential I guess.

Bradley is a power hitter that needs to keep his SO rate at 30% or lower. If he does that then he'll be a perennial 40 HR hitter. Naylor isn't going to sniff those kind of numbers.......ever.

Both have warts and I'm not holding my breath for either of them TBH. Having said that, I'd take Bradley everyday of the week and twice on Sunday over Naylor. I wouldn't be happier if he proves me wrong, but I doubt that he does and it won't be anytime soon regardless.
 
CDAV45 said:
We're all entitled to our opinions, but I doubt the majority of folks would agree that Naylor "has the same raw power and higher in game power" than Bradley. In 583 major league AB, Naylor is slugging a robust .389. Meanwhile, Bradley is slugging .431 in 290 major league AB. Their minor league numbers bear relatively the same difference. Bradley slugged .501 and Naylor .439. When you combine that with what is evident to the naked eye, the conclusion is easy. Bradley has more power than Naylor and it's not even close. Especially when given that Naylor has a better bat to ball skill.

Naylor could be a good hitter with moderate power. He's not right now and I don't see it happening, but he has that potential I guess.

Bradley is a power hitter that needs to keep his SO rate at 30% or lower. If he does that then he'll be a perennial 40 HR hitter. Naylor isn't going to sniff those kind of numbers.......ever.

Both have warts and I'm not holding my breath for either of them TBH. Having said that, I'd take Bradley everyday of the week and twice on Sunday over Naylor. I wouldn't be happier if he proves me wrong, but I doubt that he does and it won't be anytime soon regardless.
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I'd relook at things... Naylor and Bradley's exit velocity and whatnot are exactly the same, the main difference is the angle and its enough of a difference to change the slg%.

Now I think Bradley via the eye test definitely has way more power and if he gets himself in more friendly batting counts via being more patient/working on less SOs I think he will be more of a monster than Naylor could be but Naylor can definitely improve his HR rate, but at what cost? That part I cannot tell you...
 
sportscoach said:
I'd relook at things... Naylor and Bradley's exit velocity and whatnot are exactly the same, the main difference is the angle and its enough of a difference to change the slg%.

Now I think Bradley via the eye test definitely has way more power and if he gets himself in more friendly batting counts via being more patient/working on less SOs I think he will be more of a monster than Naylor could be but Naylor can definitely improve his HR rate, but at what cost? That part I cannot tell you...
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I've already looked at "things" Coach. I'm not trying to sell anything here or convince anyone. Bobby Bradley clearly has more power than Josh Naylor. It seems silly to even argue that. I feel like we're comparing apples to oranges when trying to do so.

If(and it's a huge if) Bradley can cut down on his strikeouts and get the bat on the ball more frequently then he'll enter a realm that Naylor will never touch. On the flip side, I think Naylor's bat to ball skill is much better than Bradley's, but his in game power isn't even close to Bradley's. They're just different types of hitters for the lack of a better description. Both have the potential to be productive hitters and both need to improve in certain areas to realize that potential.

Outside of 36 AB in 2020 while in SD, Naylor has been a well below average offensive player. He's young though so all hope is not lost. In a season's worth of AB, Naylor has hit 16 HR and 31 2B. His OPS in that same span is .695 and his OPS+ is 87. He'll get better if he can get healthy again, but I don't know how much better. The same can be said for Bradley. I think relying on either of them is a big gamble.
 
Josh Naylor is going to be brought back to the club at some point in 2022..probably not at the outset of the season.. When he does, he'll be given the opportunity to win/earn playing time.. like everyone else.. If he performs.. he'll get more.. Performance with the glove is just as important as with the bat.. Bobby B has shown in SSS that he has taken glove work and foot work around the 1B bag to heart with respect to performance..

The 1B slot could become even more crowded as Franmill begins to get reps there (and more in RF).. in the winter and in the spring.. of course, the RF chances will be tied to any changes to the Guardians outfield situation.. another priority..

Thoughts?..
 
Would Franmil really be worse in RF than Naylor? While his stats haven't been great in the past, Naylor's defensive numbers were Excruciating, and Josh's injury must certainly have further attenuated his mobility.
Unless Josh drops about 40 pounds, I wouldn't want him Near RF.
 
You can't change launch angle over night without sacrificing contact, but you can incrementally. Its not like Naylor is starting at the bottom.

And what seems obvious at the beginning is often an illusion.

The difference in launch angles between the two was only 3%.

In many cases you can turn contact into power...and we see it all the time. But its nearly impossible to turn power into contact...and we've seen that quite often over the last decade, too.

There are ifs with both players. But the least likely IF, which gets posted frequently, is IF Bradley can cut down his Ks...IF he can get down to 'only' 30%. Bradley struck at a rate this year that would have shattered the all time MLB record, had he played regularly for the entire season. Think about that for a while. Thats one IF thats not very likely to happen.

ZIPs likes Naylor almost three times as much as Bradley...and no GM in baseball would trade Naylor for Bradley. If there is one that dumb, I hope he's on the phone with Antonetti right now.
 
Get off the idea of Franmil being anything but a DH. He is way too valuable in our lineup to risk injury by playing him in the field every day.

Naylor is not a RF...period.

He is a 1B that might be able to play left. The best thing that could happen to him is to be on a team that would put him at first base and leave him there.
 
Launching the continuing angle where JRam is not extended:

(Y) = 40 Man roster protection is required
(N) = 40 Man roster protection is not required
Note: These deal(s) net as no change to the 40 Man Roster Protection

Indians get:
Outfielders: Jo Adell (Y), Lourdes Gurriel Jr (Y) and Jordyn Adams (Y)
Infielder: Jordan Groshans (N)
Starting Pitchers: Sam Bachman (N) and Kyle Muller (Y)
Relief Pitcher: Ky Bush (N)
Catcher: Williams Contreras (Y)
Cash: $ 7 MM

The Indians sacrifice:
Jose Ramirez (Y)
Zach Plesac (Y)
Andres Gimenez (Y)
Ethan Hankins (Y)
Carson Tucker (Y)

Would you make a deal where the Guardians sacrifice these five guys for those eight guys and $ 7 MM in cash?
 
It's possible heck probably likely the Yankees move on from Gallo. If he makes it to free agency, is he someone to look at?
 
Criznit said:
It's possible heck probably likely the Yankees move on from Gallo. If he makes it to free agency, is he someone to look at?
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On paper, yes, because he is a plus fielder and would be a nice bat in the lineup OPS wise... I dont think he is within budget though... he can easily be a 4 WAR type of player since positive oWAR and dWAR so I dont think he would be within the ten mil range the Guardians are looking to spend max on one free agent player. I think he will get at least a 4/80 if not more and that's not something we can do for 22... Now another reason why we wouldn't offer that is his road/home splits... they are too far apart not to mention how much the ballpark he plays in factors in but he has had good career numbers playing in American League Central ball parks so it may not be too much of a factor...
 
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