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Baker Mayfield: Fire The Cannons

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I think the simplest way for me to sum up Mayfield at this point......

Last drive of a game.......you are kidnapped and forced to bet your life on the over / under of 1 first down.

You aren't sure what you would pick are you? :chuckle:
 
Is Baker worth what Carolina payed for Sam Darnold?

Because I’d make that trade the moment we can. No dead cal on a trade before 6/1.
 
DJTJ said:
Is Baker worth what Carolina payed for Sam Darnold?

Because I’d make that trade the moment we can. No dead cal on a trade before 6/1.
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He's worth more IMO.

There's enough good tape, to me, for a team to trade a conditional 1st for him, that would turn in to a 2nd if he didn't meet start criteria.

But the big hangup is the shoulder now. He's not going to (likely) be healthy by draft time.......so I doubt you want to make that trade for a 2023 pick.

If you are moving him, you need it to be for 2022 capital that can immediately help us. Trading the QB and then waiting a year to see any sort of roster influx would be silly for a team trying to contend.

I suspect the only way they would do that is if they realllllllly like one of these QB's in the draft or they get someone like Rodgers or Wilson, with GB or SEA just not wanting Baker. Then the Browns might offload him to any team that would provide a pick, even if it meant the the next draft.
 
Triplethreat said:
Game wasn’t even close to his fault.
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The bar has devolved so low, that a 45 QBR now doesn't feel like the main issue.

Basically, if Baker doesn't fire himself in to the sun, it feels like a win. :chuckle:

Drops didn't help but he also spent half the game fleeing pressure he was "feeling" and destroying every on time route concept we had going.

I wish someone had his flush stats on the season. They have to be the worst in the league. Every time he bails the pocket, absolutely nothing happens. His performance out of structure is laughably bad. I'm sure Wink was laughing every time it happened.
 
I'mWithDan said:
The bar has devolved so low, that a 45 QBR now doesn't feel like the main issue.

Basically, if Baker doesn't fire himself in to the sun, it feels like a win. :chuckle:

Drops didn't help but he also spent half the game fleeing pressure he was "feeling" and destroying every on time route concept we had going.

I wish someone had his flush stats on the season. They have to be the worst in the league. Every time he bails the pocket, absolutely nothing happens. His performance out of structure is laughably bad. I'm sure Wink was laughing every time it happened.
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Let’s also add that the two third down drops were Felton (awful) and Njoku- which happened when Baker double clutched and then went to the same read as the defender went from 3 yards off to directly on.

And they won’t even credit Njoku with a drop because it’s a defended play. It’s also a defended play that didn’t need to be.

Baker had one terrific drive, and was largely garbage the remainder of the game.
 
DJTJ said:
which happened when Baker double clutched and then went to the same read as the defender went from 3 yards off to directly on.
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I really find that aspect so strange. Like, I really can't put my finger on what the hell is happening with him.

He made a couple absolutely beautiful throws......like the Landry crosser was an upper echelon NFL throw. Over the top of an under defender, in to a throw him open window. Then he will double clutch a basic initial read just inexplicably.

It's like he's Rube Baker in Major League 2......and he needs to start reciting Playboy bios on all the routine throws.
 
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I'mWithDan said:
I really find that aspect so strange. Like, I really can't put my finger on what the hell is happening with him.

He made a couple absolutely beautiful throws......like the Landry crosser was an upper echelon NFL throw. Over the top of an under defender, in to a throw him open window. Then he will double clutch a basic initial read just inexplicably.

It's like he's Rube Baker is Major League 2......and he needs to start reciting Playboy bios on all the routine throws.
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It’s what kills me.

How do you make that throw, and even to a degree the Njoku throw…

And then you go and look at the DPJ drop (same route concept as the Landry throw)- Baker sails it.

You look at any of the out routes he was asked to throw.

You look at how he looks at defenders to scramble, causing him to lose site of his receivers when bailing from a mostly clean pocket.

And you cannot come to the conclusion that he played well. It’s one on one man. Every player has the ability to make a contested catch when the ball is placed right (three of Lamars picks were correct read wrong placement) but Baker doesn’t even TRY to place it.

edit: I forgot the worst one. Landry motions into the back field. One read throw Landry vs linebacker. Double clutches into a scramble that he throws away.

It’s one read. Throw the ball.
 
This play here sums up my frustrations with Baker Mayfield this season in a nutshell.

Mayfield does everything correct right up until the moment it's time to pull the trigger, then he hesitates and eats a sack.

Hance does give up outside pressure immediately and that's not good. But Baker for seemingly the first time in months actually steps up in the pocket like a good QB is supposed to do. He resets his feet correctly and gets himself into the proper mechanics to deliver an on time and on target throw. He looks right at Landry who is open enough for this to be a completion. No, he's not wide open, but this a window that an NFL QB just has to hit.

And he just doesn't pull the trigger. He double clutches and gets sacked.


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CBBI said:
This play here sums up my frustrations with Baker Mayfield this season in a nutshell.

Mayfield does everything correct right up until the moment it's time to pull the trigger, then he hesitates and eats a sack.

Hance does give up outside pressure immediately and that's not good. But Baker for seemingly the first time in months actually steps up in the pocket like a good QB is supposed to do. He resets his feet correctly and gets himself into the proper mechanics to deliver an on time and on target throw. He looks right at Landry who is open enough for this to be a completion. No, he's not wide open, but this a window that an NFL QB just has to hit.

And he just doesn't pull the trigger. He double clutches and gets sacked.


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Do you have A22? I want to see the double clutch on the Landry route from the backfield.

Edit- to comment on the post, he double clutched because he sees Chubb. He passed up a 25+ throw (the CB is open to the oncoming route, this is a cake throw) to be a hero for a dump off that probably gets housed.

It’s unnecessary.
 
CBBI said:
Mayfield does everything correct right up until the moment it's time to pull the trigger, then he hesitates and eats a sack.
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Even worse than missing the Landry read is then him missing the immediate release valve to Chubb.

That is a play that Josh Allen is freakin great at......sometimes he hesitates in that zone window but he then consistently finds the release valve or makes a play with his legs.

Even a balloon ball to Chubb probably goes for 15-20 yards. They blew a coverage on the leak out and we managed to also miss that on the same play, even though the initial pressure should have immediately made Baker's eyes shoot there if Landry wasn't open enough.

I don't even know I have the heart to watch the All-22 this week. :chuckle:
 
So we really gonna let Baker get healthy in the off-season and run it back?

Seems like a waste of another year of what should be a window for us to win. And I wanted so badly for him to be the guy. He wouldn't even need to be a top 5 QB. But a top 10-12 guy most weeks would get him a statue at the end of his career.

Sucks.
 
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