Ohioplayer00
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I’m absolutely agree with everything you have said and posted! I haven’t argued about the stats. I argue the fact that somebody who has never seen Pete play in person tell me Harden’s a better ball handler, defender and passer and that Pete is “worse” than Harden. I’ve seen them both play and Harden is by far one of worst defenders in the league today and much worst than Pete. But again that’s my just my opinion. And I guess my other issue is the poster (not you) consistently down plays the performance of players in the 80s and 90s and puts todays players on a pedestal like they are the “be all end all”!Yeah, numbers are objective, where as personal observations are subjective. When comparing players, I try to be objective.
I'm a random guy on the Internet, as are you. Why would you put more credibility into what I'm saying just because I, a random basketball fan, had seen him play in person?
You have repeatedly made the same claims that simply aren't backed up by reality. I've tried to meet you in the middle and discuss players statistically relative to their peers without taking into account how much worse the average NBA player was in the 1970's than they are today.
Statistics *do* paint pictures of players, side by side, and you're simply rejecting the picture in favor of something you attempt to remember from *50* years ago. Are stats skewed at times? Absolutely, but are they as skewed as one person's opinion? Certainly not.
Maravich averaged 20 or more field goal attempts per game for 7 straight years. In that time, his FGA were: 23, 24, 20, 21, 28(!!), 25, 21. He took by far the most shots on his team each of those seasons, and was at or near the top of the entire league in shot attempts.
If that's not being a "main scorer," then who were the "main scorers" that he played with? I'll happily post their shots and points per game relative to Pete's.
Harden, by comparison, has averaged more than 20 field goal attempts per game only 3 times in his career, and in those seasons was much more efficient and a better passer than Maravich ever was.
If you don't believe what I'm saying, go to basketball-reference and see for yourself.
I entered this experiment under the belief that Maravich was an all-time great because I've heard it for so long. I didn't think Harden would even stack up to be honest.
It turns out that Maravich simply wasn't as good as he's often cracked up to be, and the numbers demonstrate it.
Harden is a *bad* defender, and by the numbers, Pete was even worse, but that's for a whole different post.
Guess I’m that old man yelling “Get off my lawn” LMFAOOOOOOO.
I’m also not afraid to admit I’m not a fan of todays game. Too many three pointers and no defense!
It’s all good!! I enjoy a spirited conversation!
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