Darius Kinnard Garland

The Human Q-Tip said:

I have no idea how you got that from my posts.

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With all due respect, I got that as well from the following excerpt of a previous post which you made (and which I actually liked, incidentally):

The Human Q-Tip said:

Yes...and his three point percentage was at a a career low, his assists per 36 were at the lowest of his career, and his turnovers/36 were at a career high. His eFG% and TS% both were barely above his rookie numbers, and well below his numbers the last two seasons.

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Forgive me if I misunderstood, but I thought you were pointing this out as evidence that Sexton was struggling to adapt to his new role, and therefore we cannot assume that he will figure it out.

A couple posters pointed out that the league in general struggled with shooting early on in the season. Everyone on our roster besides Cedi was subpar from deep, and had the season ended when Collin's season ended, we'd all be talking about how disappointing everyone's perimeter shooting was.

And those poor numbers that you mentioned could very reasonably be tied to the league-wide shooting slump to start the new season. Not only by depressing Collin's own shooting percentages, but also by depressing his assists totals, which you noted was at the lowest of his career. It has been mentioned on more than one occasion that teammates on potential assists from Sexton shot abysmally. Was that because the quality of the passes from Collin were not good, or was it because shooters were just slumping?

Look, I agree that none of us should be certain that Sexton will or will not fully embrace and thrive in a new role. That said, I'm cautiously optimistic that we will like what we see from him in the future.

Sexton with be a RFA. It’s not just what the Cavaliers are willing to pay or what his role will be with us; it’s also about his options elsewhere.

If I’m Sexton’s agent I’ll need to see what his market is. Basic question is length of contract. I think ther3 are way too many unknowns here to know what the market will be.

All things being equal I would think Collin wants to be here, but he might be better off to go elsewhere if another team will give him a long term deal OR have a starting role ready for him.

Best case for the Cavaliers is he’s back on a short term deal so we can evaluate him and his fit with the team but we might not have that option.

I’m very much wait and see on this topic.

CavsKermit said:

Look, Sexton wasn't forced to do anything. That's just nonsense. He's an undersized guy who's a good finisher and possesses elite speed which he uses to beat defenders to his spots in the paint. He played the way he did because it was to his advantage to do so, the same as players like Monte Ellis and AI before him. The problem is that playing that fast involves committing to a very small set of outcomes, inhibits your ability to see the floor, and it's difficult to build a cohesive team offense around that. The latter takes a very specific type of personnel which the Cavs do not have.

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Dunno why everyone feels the need to keep pushing this Monta narrative. Collin is a much much more versatile scorer than Monta ever was. His efficiency is higher than both of those guys. It is a bad faith argument if you are already starting from a position that understates what Sexton brings to the table.

foucault87 said:

Dunno why everyone feels the need to keep pushing this Monta narrative. Collin is a much much more versatile scorer than Monta ever was. His efficiency is higher than both of those guys. It is a bad faith argument if you are already starting from a position that understates what Sexton brings to the table.

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As someone who averaged more than 16 attempts per game, and his usage was far higher than that last season, he hasn't even averaged 4 3papg over the course of his career. More than 75% of his attempts come within the three point line and the majority of those come at around the painted area. That's the fundamental issue which you ducked.

In terms of Ellis, in 2010-11, his last year with GS, he averaged 24 ppg (on an eFG% of .493, TS .536), and 5.6 apg. His number of attempts were 20.1 per game, with 4.7 of those being 3p attempts. He went to the line 4.7 times per game. Those are really, really similar to the numbers Sexton put up last season. Some are slightly better, some are slightly worse, but it is in no way a bad faith comp.

Boom Outta Here said:

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4-0 last week with 21 and 13 averages. I thought that might happen.

Great for his all star resume.

bs80 said:

With all due respect, I got that as well from the following excerpt of a previous post which you made (and which I actually liked, incidentally):


Forgive me if I misunderstood, but I thought you were pointing this out as evidence that Sexton was struggling to adapt to his new role, and therefore we cannot assume that he will figure it out.

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No. I was quoting/responding to a post that pointed to how Sexton's drop in FGA this season was evidence that he has successfully adjusted. I simply was pointing out that the drop in all his efficiency stats meant that we couldn't yet draw that conclusion.

Maybe the lower percentages were due to the change in roles. Maybe it was due to changes in the ball. Or maybe it was just a too small sample size, whatever. The point is that there is not yet any substantial data showing that Sexton will (as opposed to "may", "can", or "might") make that adjustment.

Therefore, whether Sexton can adjust to this new role and be as efficient as he has been on the past, while no longer being the primary offensive option with the freedom he previously had, is unknown.

And I say this as one of Sexton's biggest supporters around here. Garland's unexpected (to me, anyway) growth, and Okoro looking like he's ahead of Sexton on the SG depth chart, has me questioning the fit.

This is the kid whose greatest college moment was successfully playing 3 on 5. He believes in his abilities utterly and loves having the ball in his hands. So I don't know whether he can make a successful adjustment to being a sixth man and being the second, or third offensive option on his team.. I know he'll try. Just not sure it's a fit.

CavsKermit said:

As someone who averaged more than 16 attempts per game, and his usage was far higher than that last season, he hasn't even averaged 4 3papg over the course of his career. More than 75% of his attempts come within the three point line and the majority of those come at around the painted area. That's the fundamental issue which you ducked.

In terms of Ellis, in 2010-11, his last year with GS, he averaged 24 ppg (on an eFG% of .493, TS .536), and 5.6 apg. His number of attempts were 20.1 per game, with 4.7 of those being 3p attempts. He went to the line 4.7 times per game. Those are really, really similar to the numbers Sexton put up last season. Some are slightly better, some are slightly worse, but it is in no way a bad faith comp.

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Monta barely got to the rim. He took an insane amount of tough middies. Collin gets to the cup and has shown to be a much better vision and defensive drive than Monta ever did. It is absolutely a lazy comparison

foucault87 said:

Monta barely got to the rim. He took an insane amount of tough middies. Collin gets to the cup and has shown to be a much better vision and defensive drive than Monta ever did. It is absolutely a lazy comparison

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30 % Montas field goals for his career are from 0-3 feet. 20 % of Sextons field goals are from 0-3 feet for his career. The stats don’t align with what you remember.

After all the bullshit calls and the Cavs still prevails!!!!

He's young Nash. Period. Almost identical games

Of course this kid is a damn superstar and I refuse to hear otherwise. He keeps rising to the challenge and makes this offense go.

To be clear, wasn’t Darius’ back acting up in the game.

As we thought during the game, he looked shaken up after a hard screen. JBB confirmed post-game it was a banged knee to knee, he’s fine.

Boom Outta Here said:

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Name Change? Darius Garland IS the NBA PLAYER OF THE WEEK?

So Garland can run an offense better than Kyrie Irving. He is a better floor raiser and a ceiling raiser imo. Kyrie is an impossible guard almost, but his skillset and offensive savagery doesn't correlate with the gravity he SHOULD have. He doesn't create enough defensive breakdowns as you would expect from a guy with his skillset and he isn't good enough or willing enough passer to run a team.

Garland is also better than Harden at this point. Garland is doing what he is doing while averaging 2.5 FTA per game. A lot of players get to run their offense the way they want because they can abuse certain things or they have an incredible 3pt shot so you have to run the off the line, or whatever. Inspite of Harden's regression and athletic decline, I always thought he had a clear, unfair advantage in the way he generated his offense. His ability to penetrate the offense (Yes Lee) was always as a result of his foul baiting. Defenders always gave him the lane because they were afraid to foul him. What can you do when a player baits you outside the 3pt line as well as inside?

Garland is just an all around great basketball player without any holes to his offense. He doesn't abuse any particular thing. He doesn't bait or gets handed fouls. He doesn't push off. He still doesn't cause the defenders to close out hard on his 3's or defend him too closely despite his beautiful shot. It's still not part of his package. And yet, he gets to any area on the court, can shoot from anywhere with way above league efficiency and he plays with such pace and calmness that allows him to survey the court and make pin point accurate, timely passes to keep the defense out of loop and off balance.

He is just a really gifted basketball player and he is starting to figure out his scoring prowess. He is like Neo yo...and he is enjoying the process.

Imagine what he will be able to do once he gets to 5 FTA++ per game and starts using his inherent advantages to draw even more attention. He is just scratching the surface.

Fuck Harden.