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Darius Kinnard Garland

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What is Darius Garland's Ceiling?

  • One Time All-Star

    Votes: 18 10.9%

  • Occasional All-Star

    Votes: 21 12.7%

  • 5-6 Time All-Star

    Votes: 31 18.8%

  • Perennial All-Star

    Votes: 40 24.2%

  • An All-NBA Team or Two

    Votes: 22 13.3%

  • Perennial All-NBA Teamer

    Votes: 20 12.1%

  • Occasional MVP Candidate

    Votes: 11 6.7%

  • Perennial MVP Candidate

    Votes: 2 1.2%

  • MVP, Baby!

    Votes: 10 6.1%

  • Being Jim Chones

    Votes: 13 7.9%
  • Total voters
    165
foucault87 said:
Monta barely got to the rim. He took an insane amount of tough middies. Collin gets to the cup and has shown to be a much better vision and defensive drive than Monta ever did. It is absolutely a lazy comparison
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It's unfortunate we didn't get many nationally televised games this year, otherwise more people would've been able to see just how amazing Garland has been this season. Fan voting is a lost cause at this point but I'm hoping he's at least a reserve All-Star. Something tells me LeGM will draft him ahead of some bigger names lol.
 
LeeBuckeye said:
It's unfortunate we didn't get many nationally televised games this year, otherwise more people would've been able to see just how amazing Garland has been this season. Fan voting is a lost cause at this point but I'm hoping he's at least a reserve All-Star. Something tells me LeGM will draft him ahead of some bigger names lol.
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i think that's just how all-star voting works, you need to establish your name first, then the name recall happens. garland is doing that now so next year he'll have the name recall.
 
InBoobieWeTrust said:
So what? Garland could have helped us win that series in a totally different way. Youre making a really weird, specific, and meaningless argument. A third year floor general couldn’t replicate the peak scoring moment of a 5th or 6th year scoring guards career? So fucking what? Irving could NEVER lead a team the way Garland is now.
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Exactly.

In the first two games of the GSW 2016 Finals, Kyrie went 12 for 36, and 1 for 7 from deep. More to the point, he had a total of only five assists and six turnovers. He was getting absolutely ripped on RCF. That's absolutely awful, and I'd venture a guess that the 2022 version of Garland would have played a hell of a lot better than that.

A player owns his valleys as much as he does his peaks.
 
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I would be quite surprised if Darius doesn’t make the all star team. He’s just playing too well and the ECPOW will help. I think some voters will be swayed by the game being played in Cleveland as well.
 
JMoneyYourHoney said:
Correct, which is why he is unquestionably a better floor raiser. But you and everybody else who once salivated over Kyrie when he was a Cav are absolutely lying to yourselves if you're positing that current Garland can do what Kyrie did in the '16 Finals. That's where the "ceiling raiser" argument begins and ends.
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Just unproven in the playoffs. We say maybe Garland isn't that ceiling raiser yet we don't really know. I thought his clutchness was questionable, but he has been finding ways to win close games that they were losing earlier in the year.

Maybe people will roast me for this, but Sexton and Kyrie are closer than Garland and Kyrie and all the same criticisms people levy of Sexton can be used on Kyrie. The area where Sexton is better is he is able to admit his weaknesses and he actually works on them.

Need a bucket from nowhere, give it to that guy. Need someone to run the team and control the pace for a whole game, give it to Garland.

No doubt we needed Kyrie for the chip and he brought a very good complement to LBJ, but even looking at their 3rd year numbers, I think you'd have to think pretty hard about which guy you take.

For me, no question. Despite scoring only 28 per 100 poss instead of 30, I take Garland. He is just affects the game in more ways. His ability to orchestrate is more valuable than tough shot making IMO. He also plays defense. He probably isn't a #1 scoring option like Kyrie, but he is without a doubt a better floor raiser.

I'm not even the biggest Garland fan, but I can't deny what I am seeing. HE may not be as skilled as Kyrie, but his mental game is ahead and it has grown enormously just in since Sexton went down. 2 months ago I preferred Ricky ending the game, and now I believe Garland has outstripped him again.
 
Can someone explain to me the difference between a "floor raiser" and a "ceiling raiser?". Because it seems inarguable to me that we would do better in the playoffs with Garland than without him, and isn't doing better in the playoffs having a higher ceiling?
 
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some people don't know how to enjoy nice things. Take them to a 5 star restaurant and they complain that they didn't put ice in their soda.
Let them eat at McDonalds and think they're being fancy when they take their date to Red Robin.
 
2 For The Brew said:
I would be quite surprised if Darius doesn’t make the all star team. He’s just playing too well and the ECPOW will help. I think some voters will be swayed by the game being played in Cleveland as well.
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I am confident JA will get in. DG is going to be abit tricky unfortunately. Him, Trae, Melo, and VanVleet are all having good seasons as PGs.
 
weepinwillow said:
some people don't know how to enjoy nice things. Take them to a 5 star restaurant and they complain that they didn't put ice in their soda.
Let them eat at McDonalds and think they're being fancy when they take their date to Red Robin.
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I want YOU to take me to Red Robin.
 
Futuredome said:
A floor raiser improves the team play. A ceiling raiser improves the team with their individual play aka Jordan being the ultimate example of this.
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When I think of floor raisers I think of guys like Jimmy Butler, who no matters where he goes success follows. When I think of ceiling raisers I think of an elite skill-set that's not redundant to the main guy i.e. Draymond Green for example because he provides a skill-set that Curry and Klay cannot despite their prolific talents while not being able to carry a team as a floor raiser himself.
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
Can someone explain to me the difference between a "floor raiser" and a "ceiling raiser?". Because it seems inarguable to me that we would do better in the playoffs with Garland than without him, and isn't doing better in the playoffs having a higher ceiling?
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Well, we would be way less likely to get to the playoffs without Darius. So that is floor raiser. He gets the team performing better globally.

Harden
Lebron
Lowry
Doncic
Giannis
Pippen
Curry

are all floor raisers. Now that doesn't mean they can't be ceiling raisers, but it means you will basically get to the playoffs with those guys no matter who is around them.

People are using Ceiling raiser as clutch guys who can get it done and score against anybody

Ray Allen
Jordan
Kyrie
Kobe
Paul Pierce
 
Cavatt said:
Well, we would be way less likely to get to the playoffs without Darius. So that is floor raiser. He gets the team performing better globally.

Harden
Lebron
Lowry
Doncic
Giannis
Pippen
Curry

are all floor raisers. Now that doesn't mean they can't be ceiling raisers, but it means you will basically get to the playoffs with those guys no matter who is around them.

People are using Ceiling raiser as clutch guys who can get it done and score against anybody

Ray Allen
Jordan
Kyrie
Kobe
Paul Pierce
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I would have Dennis Rodman as a ceiling raiser for Jordan's Bulls instead. Ray Allen was a ceiling raisers for the Celtics and Heat championship seasons.

One of the great floor raisers ever is Chris Paul. He may not take you over the top but he'll provide a very competitive team every season and played on both end (scoring and defending) while being the teams main distributor and top 2 scorer every season in the league.
 
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