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Isaac 3 & D Okoro - A Two Way Playing Basketball Savant

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Who is Isaac Okoro's Favorite Eastern Roman (Byzantine) Emperor?

  • Arcadius (if one does not count Constantine as first)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Justinian the Great

    Votes: 8 14.3%
  • Zeno

    Votes: 2 3.6%
  • Heraclius

    Votes: 3 5.4%
  • Basil II, the Bulgar Slayer

    Votes: 6 10.7%
  • Nikephoros II Phokas, the Pale Death of the Saracens

    Votes: 7 12.5%
  • Alexios I Komnenos

    Votes: 4 7.1%
  • John II, the Beautiful Komnenos

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Constantine XI

    Votes: 4 7.1%
  • Jim I Chones, the Magnificent

    Votes: 26 46.4%

  • Total voters
    56
I don't think both Okoro and Lauri can start on a team that wants to compete for a title unless one of them takes a real leap as a playmaker, which I think is extremely unlikely. The Cavs are simply too one-dimensional on offense in that world, even with Mobely's projected improvements.
 
Guys, he is 20 years old for Christ sake, people are pissed the 20 year old isn’t contributing at a championship wing level yet. We aren’t winning a championship this year, that’s a fact.

I’m just not sure what people’s issue is. Isaac is 20( 4 months older than Mobley) and is already an elite perimeter defender. So much of the NBA is PG driven(deepest position in the nba by far) and he can shut those dudes down. That’s so incredibly valuable both in the playoffs and against the best teams during the RS. Not to mention, it works perfectly in our scheme with Mobley and Allen as switchable on wings/bigs.

What he gives to the team currently, elite defense and being a play finisher/winning player, is a great compliment to this team. We don’t need him to be a 20ppg player. It would be great if he could, but he can’t yet. Doesn’t mean he should be out of the league or relegated to a bench role.

Not everyone on the team can be a 20 pt per game player, no one should expect that. Isaac is a connector, he can finish plays and doesn’t hold onto the ball/shoot bad shots out of the offensive flow. That has value on a young team with aspirations to grow in the future and winning now. And again THE DUDE IS STILL 20, he isn’t a finished product.

I heard patience for Sexton(playmaking and defense) and for Garland(aggressiveness and comfort ability in the NBA), why can’t we have patience for Isaac? Trading him is selling low on someone who already fits the timeline and roster, so it would have to be a home run to be worth trading him.
Some posters here are delusional. I was very down on Okoro at the beginning of the year but I can see the improvements and if he continues to improve he will be a great 2 way player
 
I think he had 0 rebounds tonight, is he ever going to learn how to rebound? He's completely tradable to me, he just has too many negatives that he can't make up for with his average defense. Just a putrid offensive player right now and I really haven't seen any improvement from his rookie year.
 
I think he had 0 rebounds tonight, is he ever going to learn how to rebound? He's completely tradable to me, he just has too many negatives that he can't make up for with his average defense. Just a putrid offensive player right now and I really haven't seen any improvement from his rookie year.
Dude is literally 20 and in his second year. You guys act like he is already in his prime lmao. There is so much more of his game to develop.
 
Dude is literally 20 and in his second year. You guys act like he is already in his prime lmao. There is so much more of his game to develop.
So how long do we wait? Meanwhile, he's out there hurting the offense in every game and making things harder for everyone else. I don't care if he's 16 years old, he's an NBA starter and he needs to get it together.

You can't seriously be suggesting we start switching the people around Okoro because HE can't do what's expected from a 2 guard.
 
i'm quite disappointed on how derozan went off on okoro today. derozan fits the profile of a player okoro is supposed to shut down - not extremely explosive and would rely on his dribbling, fakes and other bags of tricks to get his shot off.

as a PoA defender, okoro should have made him work.
 
i'm quite disappointed on how derozan went off on okoro today. derozan fits the profile of a player okoro is supposed to shut down - not extremely explosive and would rely on his dribbling, fakes and other bags of tricks to get his shot off.

as a PoA defender, okoro should have made him work.
The bigs did very little to help Okoro tonight. DeRozan his a lot of highly contested shots, and was given a very quick whistle on any perceived contact. The refs were abysmal. It’s the NBA, the other teams have good players occasionally. Back to the drawing board.
 
Defending DeRozan has to be a pain in the ass and messes with your head…..

Whoa whoa whoa buddy what you doing here inside the 3 point line….. HELP !!!!!!
 
According to cleaningtheglass.com, Okoro's points per 100 shot attempts was 103.4 as a rookie (placing him in the 24th percentile among wings) and 109.9 this year (placing him in the 48th percentile, or almost average). Nice improvement.

His assist rate and turnover rate are virtually identical to last year.

Breaking it down, his 2-point percentage improved from 50.6% to 54.8% while his 3-point percentage improved from 28.9% to 30.2%. Modest improvements, and you can argue that the 3-point improvment is negligible.

His shot distribution is almost the same; his percentage of shots taken at the rim is up slightly, his mid-range is down slightly, and his 3-point shots are exactly the same.

His biggest improvement has been his ability to finish at the rim, where he's shooting 64% compared to 58% last year. The down side is his corner 3 percentage has declined from 35% to 30%, and the 35% last year is still below average for wings.

The corner 3 is a shot he really, really needs because that's where they usually put him in the half-court offense. With a dependable corner 3 he could knock down 3-4 per game plus use up fakes to create baseline drives when opponents try to close out on a 3. If he can't hit the corner 3 they will just cut off the baseline and invite him to take it.

He needs to be able to put opponents in a lose/lose situation - if they hang back he'll knock down a corner 3, but if they rush him to challenge the shot he'll blow by for a baseline drive and jam.

Okoro is actually a very good offensive rebounder for a wing - he's in the 82nd percentile of offensive rebounds but only in the 12th percentile on defensive boards. My guess is that because he's so often defending the opposing player who is most likely to take the shot he's frequently contesting a shot which takes him out of contention for a rebound unless the shot hits the front of the rim and comes right back to him.

In terms of on/off stats, the Cavs were neutral last year, neither improving or declining when Okoro was on the floor. His +/- was 0.0. This year it's -3.5. The Cavs are 1.7 points better offensively and 1.8 points better defensively when Okoro is on the bench. That's kind of alarming since the Cavs are much, much better this season and are winning a lot more games. You'd think everybody's on/off number would be better.

Okoro's -3.5 is the lowest on the team except for Wade, Osman, Pangos, Valentine, and Sexton.
 
According to cleaningtheglass.com, Okoro's points per 100 shot attempts was 103.4 as a rookie (placing him in the 24th percentile among wings) and 109.9 this year (placing him in the 48th percentile, or almost average). Nice improvement.

His assist rate and turnover rate are virtually identical to last year.

Breaking it down, his 2-point percentage improved from 50.6% to 54.8% while his 3-point percentage improved from 28.9% to 30.2%. Modest improvements, and you can argue that the 3-point improvment is negligible.

His shot distribution is almost the same; his percentage of shots taken at the rim is up slightly, his mid-range is down slightly, and his 3-point shots are exactly the same.

His biggest improvement has been his ability to finish at the rim, where he's shooting 64% compared to 58% last year. The down side is his corner 3 percentage has declined from 35% to 30%, and the 35% last year is still below average for wings.

The corner 3 is a shot he really, really needs because that's where they usually put him in the half-court offense. With a dependable corner 3 he could knock down 3-4 per game plus use up fakes to create baseline drives when opponents try to close out on a 3. If he can't hit the corner 3 they will just cut off the baseline and invite him to take it.

He needs to be able to put opponents in a lose/lose situation - if they hang back he'll knock down a corner 3, but if they rush him to challenge the shot he'll blow by for a baseline drive and jam.

Okoro is actually a very good offensive rebounder for a wing - he's in the 82nd percentile of offensive rebounds but only in the 12th percentile on defensive boards. My guess is that because he's so often defending the opposing player who is most likely to take the shot he's frequently contesting a shot which takes him out of contention for a rebound unless the shot hits the front of the rim and comes right back to him.

In terms of on/off stats, the Cavs were neutral last year, neither improving or declining when Okoro was on the floor. His +/- was 0.0. This year it's -3.5. The Cavs are 1.7 points better offensively and 1.8 points better defensively when Okoro is on the bench. That's kind of alarming since the Cavs are much, much better this season and are winning a lot more games. You'd think everybody's on/off number would be better.

Okoro's -3.5 is the lowest on the team except for Wade, Osman, Pangos, Valentine, and Sexton.
Why is our eye test of Okoro not consistent with these benign statistics?
 

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