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Deshaun Watson: Third Highest Paid QB in the AFC North (OUT for 2023)

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Lee said:
Valid points, 2023 right now is at 219 for 28 players. That could become an issue. Not many players to cut either. We will have to do allot of restructuring, we are getting to our window, looks like we pushed the chips in and we will have to be like NOLA with all the restructures.
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That's all I'm saying. If we keep pushing more and more down the road, it's gonna come back sooner than later. And doing it with a QB in limbo for the next 2yrs is concerning. Then add in lost draft picks for the next 3 yrs.

I'd far prefer this to 1-31, but folks wanting to compound the issue and add even more to the ledger are treating the cap like a credit card, not realizing interest rates are coming.
 
adam81king said:
Folks are now saying to make Watsons cap hit $60M next year...

Myles Garrett has a $13M cap hit in 2022, before jumping to $30M in 2023...

Nick Chubb has a $5M cap hit in 2022, before jumping to $15M in 2023...

Amari Cooper has a $5M cap hit in 2022, before jumping to $24M in 2023...

Joel Bitonio has a $7M cap hit in 2022, before jumping to $14M in 2023...

Wyatt Teller has a $5M cap hit in 2022, before jumping to $16M in 2023...

Yall don't look at the internet?
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Cooper will likely be a guy who is reduced annually.

12 of Myles cap hit next year is Bonus. Lots of room to restructure to get money.

These contracts are really beneficial for us, despite the cap hits.
 
DJTJ said:
Cooper will likely be a guy who is reduced annually.

12 of Myles cap hit next year is Bonus. Lots of room to restructure to get money.

These contracts are really beneficial for us, despite the cap hits.
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Like I said, I'll be the crazy kook everyone ignores. I REALLY hope yall can gravedig this and call me a dumbass in a couple years.
 
adam81king said:
Like I said, I'll be the crazy kook everyone ignores. I REALLY hope yall can gravedig this and call me a dumbass in a couple years.
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I entirely get the fear, because you’re 100% right in both the immediate short term and the long term. We can only kick the can so far. You see the dead so issues Atlanta got in with Matt Ryan.

The difference between this org and previous, is they’re consistently better at contracts and cap. It’s wildly different. A lot of these contracts have early outs baked in, and the best part? Bitonio? It goes from the cap hit you mentioned down 7 the year after, before ballooning at… age 35. Chubb? FA at age 30, old for a RB.

The only real “issue” contract is Myles and I don’t really expect that to ever be an issue as the cap is going to tsunami moving forward. Too much money in the sport.
 
Man @adam81king is getting absolutely shredded by the salary cap in here. You hate to see it.
 
The salary cap is really only an issue if you have bad management. Look at the Saints compared to the Falcons. The Saints manipulate the cap like geniuses. The Falcons are paying like sixty million to watch Matt Ryan play somewhere else and have one of the most talent devoid rosters I’ve ever seen.
 
adam81king said:
Like I said, I'll be the crazy kook everyone ignores. I REALLY hope yall can gravedig this and call me a dumbass in a couple years.
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I guess the question is, would you rather save cap space for future years, or when you have a team that can make a run now, use the flexibility to push stuff out and go all in now? If Watson plays like a top 5 QB, we can be an average team and playoff team on our down years when we need to reset the cap. The goal is to find 2-3 year stretches that you can make a team a super bowl contender.
 
Cavsfan1985 said:
I guess the question is, would you rather save cap space for future years, or when you have a team that can make a run now, use the flexibility to push stuff out and go all in now? If Watson plays like a top 5 QB, we can be an average team and playoff team on our down years when we need to reset the cap. The goal is to find 2-3 year stretches that you can make a team a super bowl contender.
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Watson might be suspended this year or next year. Until we know that, I don't think pushing salary in any particular direction is wise.

I'm not a fan of *continually* pushing more and more salary down the road. Watson has a $50M cap hit. Why change that to $60M? Why not bring SOME of that salary to this year instead of 2023?
 
Jack Brickman said:
The salary cap is really only an issue if you have bad management. Look at the Saints compared to the Falcons. The Saints manipulate the cap like geniuses. The Falcons are paying like sixty million to watch Matt Ryan play somewhere else and have one of the most talent devoid rosters I’ve ever seen.
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Didn't the Saints just lose their franchise-caliber LT because of cap purposes?
 
adam81king said:
Didn't the Saints just lose their franchise-caliber LT because of cap purposes?
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Yes, but the Saints are also coming off a 5-year run where they went 58-23. And Armstead would have stayed with them had they acquired Watson via trade.

The Browns (and all of us) will be thrilled to be a contender for championships for the next five years before things catch up to them.
 
adam81king said:
Didn't the Saints just lose their franchise-caliber LT because of cap purposes?
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Any team that constantly kicks the can down the road is going to have to let talent go from time to time. The successful teams are the ones that use that to reap comp picks and then draft well enough to keep adding talent to the team to replace the guys that leave.
 
The hard part was getting the elite QB. If we’re being honest, I’m still flabbergasted that we actually landed Watson. It seemed like the mother of all pipe dreams.

We were talking about Derek Carr and Andrew Berry was like:


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Los216 said:
Man @adam81king is getting absolutely shredded by the salary cap in here. You hate to see it.
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Not sure how pointing out an iceberg is getting "shredded" -- especially when the concern it exists is all I've stated, not that the Browns are incapable of avoiding it -- but sure, go off.
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Bro I said the salary cap doesn't exist and everyone roasted me hahaha.

Goodness the way people have flipped script.
 
TyGuy said:
The hard part was getting the elite QB. If we’re being honest, I’m still flabbergasted that we actually landed Watson. It seemed like the mother of all pipe dreams.

We were talking about Derek Carr and Andrew Berry was like:


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I didn't think in a million years that we'd end up with Watson. Think about it, what if we would have drafted him, and he had a scandal here with a crappy team around him. What if that shoe was on the other foot? We'd be in a miserable spot as a franchise.

Legit top 3 to 5 quarterbacks just entering their prime years simply do not become available, ever, except for something completely out of the ordinary like with Watson.

With that perspective going all-in the way we did makes perfect sense, scandal or no scandal. To have that piece locked up can transform the whole outlook of this franchise for next 5-10 years. Nobody can ever say Haslam isn't going all out to win a Super Bowl.
 
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