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No one’s talking about playing Okoro at SF. Not sure where that came from. I would expect all the SF minutes to get eaten up by a combination of Lauri, LeVert, Agjabi, Cedi, Wade and Stevens, with Lauri and LeVert talking the bulk of the minutes.

Barnes just isn’t the answer to any problem with this team, and I don’t get the obsession with the guy. If he was on a decent team he’d be a full time bench player. Not hating on the guy, as I said he’d be a nice player to have off the bench if he cost next to nothing, it he doesn’t solve probably the biggest hole on the roster which is a legitimate defensive presence at SF. We’re just better waiting to see what teams wind up as sellers at the deadline and go from there.
Being here in Sac (and watching him a lot)
I love Barnes but I agree on a good team he would be a good role player! Although he does play good D! But as a Cav…I’ll pass!
 
No one’s talking about playing Okoro at SF. Not sure where that came from. I would expect all the SF minutes to get eaten up by a combination of Lauri, LeVert, Agjabi, Cedi, Wade and Stevens, with Lauri and LeVert talking the bulk of the minutes.

Barnes just isn’t the answer to any problem with this team, and I don’t get the obsession with the guy. If he was on a decent team he’d be a full time bench player. Not hating on the guy, as I said he’d be a nice player to have off the bench if he cost next to nothing, it he doesn’t solve probably the biggest hole on the roster which is a legitimate defensive presence at SF. We’re just better waiting to see what teams wind up as sellers at the deadline and go from there.
there are people here on the forum wanting okoro at the three........and levert really shouldnt be playing any sf....he has two bad feet...one foot already having two surgeries....a 205 pound dude giong up against 225s?....230s?.....the cavs are talking ECF....you cannot be thinkg ECF wiht a fragile 205 pounder going up wiht 225s on a nightly basis

cmon, man....think...get past the fact that the cavs are not an 8-10....and start thinking that they are a 1-4 contender that wants a garland ECF...and youll realize what youre saying is not logical...conference finallist dont go into the season wiht holes...they fix them during the season should they occur(injury)

i get the feeling that some people here(not singling you out as for all i know you were part of the small percentage here that agreed that they are a 1-4 ) are still butthurt that i said the cavs are a 1-4 while the majority of you said 8-10.....

and cannot get over the fact that they are clearly wrong.....garland told them that they were wrong ....so now said people trying to find out something else "wrong " wiht what i saying

lmfao...said people run into garland in a bar and tell him the cavs are an 8-10....hell think said person is a fukn retard....
 
this is the guy you want at the three giving up 20-25 pounds a night?

https://www.nba.com/news/nets-guard-levert-suffers-serious-leg-injury


dude has no business at the three...sure hes on an expiring deal and if hes playing wiht charlotte ok....but an ecf team with world class management?.....

not going to happen
 
He got cooked by LeBron, JR, Kyrie and everyone in between. I am not blaming him for that, but Harrison Barnes is not some forgotten star. He is a solid starter and thats it. He is not so good that you need to be spending a lot of assets on him. A first and a 6moty candidate is way too much.

I also thinks its been said several times, Harrison is not a 3. He may play spot minutes there, but he is less of a 3 than Lauri or even someone like Tobi. At this point in his career, he is a stretch 4, sometimes microball 5.


Love has way more upside than Barnes tho. I mean they guy was an all nba level player on a per possession basis last year. Kevin Love can get hot and single handedly win me a game or two. I don't trust Barnes to do that.

Staying healthy is a skill, but its not going to elevate a decent role player to star status all of a sudden the way you seem to think
a 6 fut 8 235 pounder getting "'cooked" by prime lebron and two guards?...one bieng elite?....that would apply to 90 percent of the guys in the nba....for the last time....barnes is not a 1 or 2 option ...hes a 3 or 4 option....thats it.....and currently it appears that there is not a 3rd or 4th option quality player at the SF positon rihgt now on the cavs roster to split time wiht lauri unless they are playing for the 8-10 as opposed to the 1-4.

the cavs are not an 8-10, OK?....they are a 1-4 like i said when i first posted here and got some peoples panties in a bunch.....i suggest the few that are still here believing that they are an 8-10 ...simply to argue with a "new guy"....get over it
 
a 6 fut 8 235 pounder getting "'cooked" by prime lebron and two guards?...one bieng elite?....that would apply to 90 percent of the guys in the nba....for the last time....barnes is not a 1 or 2 option ...hes a 3 or 4 option....thats it.....and currently it appears that there is not a 3rd or 4th option quality player at the SF positon rihgt now on the cavs roster to split time wiht lauri unless they are playing for the 8-10 as opposed to the 1-4.

the cavs are not an 8-10, OK?....they are a 1-4 like i said when i first posted here and got some peoples panties in a bunch.....i suggest the few that are still here believing that they are an 8-10 ...simply to argue with a "new guy"....get over it
Why do you think we are a top 4 team in the east with the current state of rosters? Most NBA people and fans on this board will disagree with you.

I havent seen you make a coherent argument for your position that we should get Harrison Barnes and make him our starting 3. Yes, he got cooked by a lot of guards and wings last season. We aren't talking about the 2016 finals, when Harrison still had enough speed to defend a lot of players. In 2022, he was getting run past by the likes of CP3 and TJ McConnell.

As for your 3/4 option at SF. We do have one. His name is Lauri Markkenen

Weight is also not the only determinant of position. Poku plays the 3 at like 200. KD is a 3/4 at 215. It's not 1999 anymore. Wings and forwards are getting smaller and faster. LeVert is a swing. He can play extended mins at 2 and 3 and likely will be the starter there if Lauri has to take a few games off.
 
Hard NO from the Cavs. Cedi is valued much higher around the league. Throw in two more unprotected FRPs, and the needle might move.

On a serious note,
would it make sense for the Cavs to move a few SGs for a salary dump and picks? Like, Sexton (S&T @ 16 MPY), Okoro, and Cedi for Gordon Hayward and draft compensation (at least one FRP, may be the 2023 FRP CHA has via DEN)?

We will still have LeVert and Ochai (and Dylan) as our SG, and Gordon can be back-up SF.
gordon has skills .but he has to check which way the wind is blowing before he leaves his house...in the last three seasons hes done 52, 44 and 49....myb coming of the bench with reduced minutes will help his durablility...if push came to shove i would rather have him than love becasue there is a need for the three as opposed to the four and both are serious health liabilities...i really want neither but if gordon is 100 percent giogn into and through the playoffs....hes solid...excellent, actually
 
Why do you think we are a top 4 team in the east with the current state of rosters? Most NBA people and fans on this board will disagree with you.

I havent seen you make a coherent argument for your position that we should get Harrison Barnes and make him our starting 3. Yes, he got cooked by a lot of guards and wings last season. We aren't talking about the 2016 finals, when Harrison still had enough speed to defend a lot of players. In 2022, he was getting run past by the likes of CP3 and TJ McConnell.

As for your 3/4 option at SF. We do have one. His name is Lauri Markkenen

Weight is also not the only determinant of position. Poku plays the 3 at like 200. KD is a 3/4 at 215. It's not 1999 anymore. Wings and forwards are getting smaller and faster. LeVert is a swing. He can play extended mins at 2 and 3 and likely will be the starter there if Lauri has to take a few games off.
lauri can give you 35...myb 38 at the 3....then what?....lavert imo shold play zero minutes at the 3....none....its not worth the risk as hes extrmely valuable at the 2....in fact every player 1-9 is extremley valuable going into the playoffs......if your max player all star is telling you that youre an ecf team....you finish with teh 5th rated defense in the league with the nunber 2 rim protector out for 26 games....youre 1.5 games out of 1st place halfway through the season and then your ROY candidate and rim protector go out and you get a 6th man of the year candidate coming back? ....yeah ....1-4 taking into consideration the health liabiiltes taht teh 76ers, heat and celtics have....even the bucks are not immune wiht a 300 pound lopez coming off back surgery and backed up by ibaka and his bad knees. ..and grayson and matthews are suspect at the 2....and what if fvv is an injury-prone type player?....they have no one to back him up...theyll have to go with scottie and siakim and hope malachi can give minutes.....
 
there are people here on the forum wanting okoro at the three........and levert really shouldnt be playing any sf....he has two bad feet...one foot already having two surgeries....a 205 pound dude giong up against 225s?....230s?.....the cavs are talking ECF....you cannot be thinkg ECF wiht a fragile 205 pounder going up wiht 225s on a nightly basis

cmon, man....think...get past the fact that the cavs are not an 8-10....and start thinking that they are a 1-4 contender that wants a garland ECF...and youll realize what youre saying is not logical...conference finallist dont go into the season wiht holes...they fix them during the season should they occur(injury)

i get the feeling that some people here(not singling you out as for all i know you were part of the small percentage here that agreed that they are a 1-4 ) are still butthurt that i said the cavs are a 1-4 while the majority of you said 8-10.....


and cannot get over the fact that they are clearly wrong.....garland told them that they were wrong ....so now said people trying to find out something else "wrong " wiht what i saying

lmfao...said people run into garland in a bar and tell him the cavs are an 8-10....hell think said person is a fukn retard....

This is not ‘fact’ at all. In fact, I said they’d likely be battling for a 7-8 seed, which would put them in the play in again this season.

Yes, all of these teams have issues, but this is how I’d slot their tiers in the East right now. This is based on how I think they’ll finish regular season, not how far I think they’ll get in playoffs. (Assuming KD and Kyrie are on Nets all year).

Tier 1:
76ers
Celtics
Bucks
Nets

Tier 2:
Heat
Raptors
Hawks
Cavs
Bulls

Tier 3:
Hornets
Knicks
Wizards

Unless they can make a trade that jumps them into tier 1, which would be pretty difficult and require significant assets, they need to just be patient until next offseason when they have better cap flexibility. If they can make a depth move that doesn’t add significant long term money and doesn’t cost much I’m for it, like trading Cedi & Windler for Barnes (or something similar).

The only realistic way for the Cavs to jump into tier 1 this year is Garland being All-NBA and Mobley becoming a 20 point scorer. Both are possible, but I think that’s more likely to be a 23-24 thing.

East is going to be very tough this year, and teams like Pistons and Detroit are going to be much better as well.
 
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This is not ‘fact’ at all. In fact, I said they’d likely be battling for a 7-8 seed, which would put them in the play in again this season.

Yes, all of these teams have issues, but this is how I’d slot their tiers in the East right now. This is based on how I think they’ll finish regular season, not how far I think they’ll get in playoffs. (Assuming KD and Kyrie are on Nets all year).

Tier 1:
76ers
Celtics
Bucks
Nets

Tier 2:
Heat
Raptors
Hawks
Cavs
Bulls

Tier 3:
Hornets
Knicks
Wizards

Unless they can make a trade that jumps them into tier 1, which would be pretty difficult and require significant assets, they need to just be patient until next offseason when they have better cap flexibility. The only realistic way for the Cavs to jump into tier 1 this year is Garland being All-NBA and Mobley becoming a 20 point scorer. Both are possible, but I think that’s more likely to be a 23-24 thing.

East is going to be very tough this year, and teams like Pistons and Detroit are going to be much better as well.
i never said "you" in particular....that would be rude....please re-read what i wrote.... and your thinking is exaclty my reasoning....grland gets to 25-26, mobley to 20....and sexton 16 off the bench wiht teh same 2020 metrics.....and then you add a high percentage sf taht can shoot the three splitting time wiht lauri who also plays the 4.....all the while opening up the lane for sexton, dg, mobely and lavert...... that could take this team form 108 ppg to 112.......a possible top 8 offense to go with a top 4 defense....that is top four in either division.....its right fukn there, man
 
Why do you think we are a top 4 team in the east with the current state of rosters? Most NBA people and fans on this board will disagree with you.

I havent seen you make a coherent argument for your position that we should get Harrison Barnes and make him our starting 3. Yes, he got cooked by a lot of guards and wings last season. We aren't talking about the 2016 finals, when Harrison still had enough speed to defend a lot of players. In 2022, he was getting run past by the likes of CP3 and TJ McConnell.

As for your 3/4 option at SF. We do have one. His name is Lauri Markkenen

Weight is also not the only determinant of position. Poku plays the 3 at like 200. KD is a 3/4 at 215. It's not 1999 anymore. Wings and forwards are getting smaller and faster. LeVert is a swing. He can play extended mins at 2 and 3 and likely will be the starter there if Lauri has to take a few games off.
coherent?....he sported a 62 ts the last two years ..one year a 50/40 the other a 47/40....strter minutes...teh fact that you cant see this as coherent makes you...imo...incoherent....the dude is iron...hes goign to be there for the playoffs...how long have you been folloing basketball?....seriously....you compared travis outlaw. to barnes calling harrison a "decent shooter"....a 50/40 62 TS decent? ... first i thoght you were trolling....then realized you could be serious as some here think taht the cas are a ten seed in the east wiht sexton and barring injuries...stop, already.. ..just stop
 
a simple google search of harrison barnes and cavaliers.....


first catching shit for saying that the cavs are a 1-4 seed in the ecf....and now catching the same shit for recommending harrsion barnes.... when you take into considerattion that people are admittigly not trolling here.....pretty obvious that some people are just utterly clueless....
 
lauri can give you 35...myb 38 at the 3....then what?....lavert imo shold play zero minutes at the 3....none....its not worth the risk as hes extrmely valuable at the 2....in fact every player 1-9 is extremley valuable going into the playoffs......if your max player all star is telling you that youre an ecf team....you finish with teh 5th rated defense in the league with the nunber 2 rim protector out for 26 games....youre 1.5 games out of 1st place halfway through the season and then your ROY candidate and rim protector go out and you get a 6th man of the year candidate coming back? ....yeah ....1-4 taking into consideration the health liabiiltes taht teh 76ers, heat and celtics have....even the bucks are not immune wiht a 300 pound lopez coming off back surgery and backed up by ibaka and his bad knees. ..and grayson and matthews are suspect at the 2....and what if fvv is an injury-prone type player?....they have no one to back him up...theyll have to go with scottie and siakim and hope malachi can give minutes.....
35-38 what? Minutes at the 3? Thats too many for anyone in the modern NBA. Lauri should be splitting time at 3/4 over 26-28 mpg. LeVert probably plays 10-12 at 3 and 12-14 at 2 but those are just guesses. We have a lot of guys who will need playing time at the 2 (Sexton, Rubio, Okoro, Ochai, LeVert) and fewer at the 3 (LeVert, Lauri, Wade/Stevens, Cedi?). I expect LeVert will split time between the two.

If you are weighing in health risks, we should get penalized too as Garland has missed time every season as have Allen and Caris. As is, Boston, Philly, and Miami were better than us last season even when they had players miss a lot of game. Unless Garland and Mobley take massive leaps like @Bob_The_Cat argued, we aren't magically leapfrogging them, let alone a revitalized Atl, Chicago, or Toronto who all also made improvements this offseason. Nets as constructed are also much better than we are right now. Cavs look like a low playoff seed/playin tier as current rosters stand but a lot can change either way. But the Cavs seeding is a discussion for another thread.


coherent?....he sported a 62 ts the last two years ..one year a 50/40 the other a 47/40....strter minutes...teh fact that you cant see this as coherent makes you...imo...incoherent....the dude is iron...hes goign to be there for the playoffs...how long have you been folloing basketball?....seriously....you compared travis outlaw. to barnes calling harrison a "decent shooter"....a 50/40 62 TS decent? ... first i thoght you were trolling....then realized you could be serious as some here think taht the cas are a ten seed in the east wiht sexton and barring injuries...stop, already.. ..just stop

So he put up good shooting numbers on a bad team and he has been healthy? That is not anywhere near enough to convince me to give up real assets for an expiring 18m contract. Over the same last two seasons, Barnes has been a near neutral player (0.2 net BPM, 15.4-15.7 PER) while struggling on D (118-119 DRTG). And as for the wing issue, he has been playing over 57% of his minutes at the 4 over the last 2 years.

Harrison Barnes is a solid backup 3/4 but not much more than that at this point in his career. He struggles to defend smaller wings and guards on the switch. He can body up a Kawhi or LeBron, but he is not going to be any more of a speed bump than Lamar is vs those types. He isn't going to be adding any additional playmaking. What does Harrison Barnes offer besides compressing the skillsets of Lamar Stevens and Dean Wade into one player but being worse on D than either?

I dont mind adding him in a vacuum. He is a solid player who is somewhere between a top end bench guy on a good team to a starter on a bad team. But, he doesn't solve our biggest issues right now as he is a) not an elite movement shooter, b) not an elite playmaker, and c) not an elite defensive wing. He does address our need for a big forward but thats it.
 
Gary Trent Jr. does not have positional flexibility. His wingspan is just an inch and a half longer than Collin Sexton. He's a shooting guard. However, I see what the Cavs like about him. He's as tenacious in perimeter defense as Okoro plus he is an elite shooter from the outside. I don't love going after yet another shooting guard, but I understand the attraction.
 
Gary Trent Jr. does not have positional flexibility. His wingspan is just an inch and a half longer than Collin Sexton. He's a shooting guard. However, I see what the Cavs like about him. He's as tenacious in perimeter defense as Okoro plus he is an elite shooter from the outside. I don't love going after yet another shooting guard, but I understand the attraction.
i think everyone that understands basketball agrees...the cavs dont need a two...they need a three....and they also dont need a 30mm bench four who has suspect health when the general consensus is taht 35 min/game mobely is going to be a special player

all things being equal ..in all liklihood the cavs arent goign to go to the ecf with either love or okoro ...add osman and stevens to that list as well...thats not an ecf team
 

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