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Deshaun Watson Off the Field Thread v3: 11 games, $5M

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How many games does the NFL want to inflict

  • 6 + Fine

    Votes: 2 3.8%
  • 8

    Votes: 1 1.9%
  • 10

    Votes: 4 7.5%
  • 12

    Votes: 9 17.0%
  • Full Season

    Votes: 37 69.8%

  • Total voters
    53
  • Poll closed .
I've been right this whole time, youse just dislike the truth.

If Watson was a regular Joe he'd be criminally charged; many examples of male LMT's being criminally charged for inappropriate behaviors with clients.

no matter how deviant watson's action, oh please let us see him throw the football.
Yes. Let him throw the football. I don’t care about Watson the person. Same as any of these players. I want to see the Orange helmets win.
I’m more upset with the entire process. From the start, he should have been put on the exempt list from day 1. Regardless of him sitting out on his own, it doesn’t matter because he wouldn’t be welcomed anyway.
Then, having a specific process with a 3rd party and then completely ignoring her decision and going with a 4th party that Roger gets to hand pick. We all know the media Is pressuring the media to slam the book on Watson. It’s all about optics and Watson is public enemy 1.
Again, he should have been on the commissioners exempt list from day 1 and missed all of last season and not got paid. Only people suffering are us Browns fans.
Watson got paid
Accusers got paid (minus 1)
Lawyers got paid
NFL getting what they want
Public gets to cry and moan again
Browns fans have no QB and 2 more years without picks.
 
That Pittsburgh playoff game in 2020 was pretty sick.

Other than that it’s mostly been a consistent stream of nut kicks every week for over twenty years.
Yeah. You’re not wrong. One of the worst feelings was getting our ass handed to us in 2019 season opener.
All the hype, excitement, hope and just crushed in a hour.
 
What about it do you find misleading?
I mean... the two things I specifically called out in my post. The "all three" thing and the context of the "egregious" statement.

My word choice of "All three" could have read "All three provisions that the NFL was claiming he broke." However, I don't think my word choice is misleading at all. Nobody is claiming that Watson was using steroids (provision 7) or engaging in animal cruelty (provision 8).
Yeah I guess it could have, but it didn't, which is why I said I thought it was misleading.

So, help me understand where you're coming from. To me, it feels weird for someone to come in and say "All three? You're misleading people. Watson didn't have a gun on him." (provision 6)
Well first off, that's not what I said (or anyone said), so no need to use quotation marks there. What I am saying is, regardless of the details of the 14 provisions... saying "Robinson found that Watson had violated all three provisions based on the evidence presented" implies there are only 3 provisions, and that he violated all of them. For someone who is constantly calling other people out for not reading the report, you sometimes get a little loose with how you represent said report.

For the "egregious" part, I think it's important to look at the actual subject of that second sentence. The judge isn't referring to his conduct. The judge is referring to the pattern of conduct. The judge is saying that Watson's pattern of conduct is more egregious than that of any case prior--and not just comparing it to non-violent cases. This is referring to the serial, repetitive nature of Watson's conduct.
Ok, no argument here on the definition of "pattern of conduct." But I'll reiterate my interpretation that she wrote that "egregious" statement in comparison to other non-violent offenses. Whether it was his "conduct" or his "pattern of conduct" doesn't change my interpretation of that. I could be wrong. Maybe we'll have to get one of these dudes who finds Sue attractive to wine and dine her and get her to clarify.

If you want a more clear definition of what "pattern of conduct" the NFL and Judge Robinson are referring to, it's on page 4:
I'm good, man. I read the whole report. But carry on assuming you're the only one who did, while spamming the board with the full report over and over again.
 
Has anyone ever really enjoyed being a Browns fan?
I know your not looking for an answer but thinking about it, If you are my age It was fun from 85 to 89 then 94……. Then just about three seasons since then in the return. Not old enough to remember the kardiak Kids and Sipe ( going to assume a decent amount of the posters are not either)

The NFl ever since 99 has def not done the Browns any favors for sure , they finally got a good front office in place and now this situation off the field . Def not fun.
 
Born in 83. Was born into it. I can count on one hand the amount of seasons I’ve enjoyed.
It’s a disease and won’t go away. Even signing a “sexual predator” won’t get me out because it gives me hope. Terrible
On reflection you are right.

1994 was a good season. Best defense in the NFL with Eric Turner, Pepper Johnson and old man Carl Banks. Beat the Patriots in the first round. Metcalf and LeRoy Hoard.

2002 was a good season. Kardiac Kids 2.0. Five games won in the 4th Quarter within a touchdown. We thought the Couch Browns had turned the corner. And then the playoff game happened.

2020 was a good season as we all know.

I was alive for the Bernie Browns AFC Title games but way too young to remember anything.
 
‘83 here.

Vaguely remember watching all those games with my dad in ‘89 and ‘94. Those were good seasons, but even that stretch was a shitburger with a very thin top bun.

Since then it’s been absolute brutality.
 
I would be curious about what year the most posters were born on this forum are....

I'm 83 as well...
 
I mean... the two things I specifically called out in my post. The "all three" thing and the context of the "egregious" statement.


Yeah I guess it could have, but it didn't, which is why I said I thought it was misleading.


Well first off, that's not what I said (or anyone said), so no need to use quotation marks there. What I am saying is, regardless of the details of the 14 provisions... saying "Robinson found that Watson had violated all three provisions based on the evidence presented" implies there are only 3 provisions, and that he violated all of them. For someone who is constantly calling other people out for not reading the report, you sometimes get a little loose with how you represent said report.


Ok, no argument here on the definition of "pattern of conduct." But I'll reiterate my interpretation that she wrote that "egregious" statement in comparison to other non-violent offenses. Whether it was his "conduct" or his "pattern of conduct" doesn't change my interpretation of that. I could be wrong. Maybe we'll have to get one of these dudes who finds Sue attractive to wine and dine her and get her to clarify.


I'm good, man. I read the whole report. But carry on assuming you're the only one who did, while spamming the board with the full report over and over again.

Quotation marks are used to denote speaking--even hypothetical speaking. I'm not claiming you said those words.

I don't agree with your assumed implication. I think anyone would understand that "all three" would refer to "all three provisions being examined." To illustrate that, I brought up the other provisions. I don't think it's reasonable for anyone to assume that Watson is being charged with steroids, guns, animal cruelty, etc. I don't think it's reasonable to assume that the three provisions spelled out are the entirety of the conduct policy.

I'm not assuming you did or did not read the report--simply offering it up. Apologies if posting the specifics came off as condescending. It certainly seemed poignant to the topic of discussion (Watson's pattern of behavior).

I've posted the full report once, in response to someone who literally asked how the judge came to her conclusion.

Thanks for trying to increase specificity and clarity. I don't agree with the points you're trying to make.
 
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On reflection you are right.

1994 was a good season. Best defense in the NFL with Eric Turner, Pepper Johnson and old man Carl Banks. Beat the Patriots in the first round. Metcalf and LeRoy Hoard.

2002 was a good season. Kardiac Kids 2.0. Five games won in the 4th Quarter within a touchdown. We thought the Couch Browns had turned the corner. And then the playoff game happened.

2020 was a good season as we all know.

I was alive for the Bernie Browns AFC Title games but way too young to remember anything.
Reading this and the other replies - it strikes me how many/most of you have never really known a good Browns team. That speaks to how devoted as fans you are (we all are; nobody wanders through this mess for 25+ years without having serious fan credentials; but you've had even less payoff, which makes your continued fandom that much more impressive).

My first Browns memories were the late 70s. Greg Pruitt. Mike Pruitt. Brian Sipe. The Kardiac Kids of 1980, ending in Red Right 88. (Which for the record was one of the coldest days I can recall. Holy shit, was it bitter that day.).

Then they stepped back for a couple of seasons. But then came Bernie. He was/is so beloved not just because he was a terrific QB -- he WANTED to be here, and worked the rules to end up in Cleveland. Cleveland has always had that inferiority complex -- but it was ten times worse in the early 1980s -- so the idea that a talented athlete actually wanted to play in Cleveland was completely foreign.

Once Bernie came in, the Browns improved. Made it into the playoffs that first year and had a big lead in that playoff game against Miami before choking it away. While the loss stung, it didn't stung as badly because the Browns were an up-and-coming team, with that promise of better things to come.

And they did -- 1986 was the best season I recall as a Browns fan. 12-4 and the AFC road to the Super Bowl went through Cleveland. The double-OT win against the Jets, coming back from 10 down with four minutes to go to tie the game. Then the AFC championship game against the Broncos. The one that ended in The Drive.

1987 was a great season too. Got to the playoffs again, smacked the Colts in the first round, then the rematch against the Broncos, this time in Mile High. Falling behind, but staying close enough to keep us believing. Still down a touchdown late, but driving yet again. Byner going into the end zone with the game-tying score ... but having been stripped of the ball by a little-known Denver DB named Jeremiah Castille. The Fumble. I still remember being with a group of guys in my friend's basement, watching it on his shitty TV (most TVs were pretty shitty then), and all of us screaming at the TD, and then the dead silence as we realized that there was no TD.

1988 was a sort of lost season, marred by a Kosar injury (he got hit on the arm by a little-known Chiefs DB named Lloyd Burruss; Bernie was never the same again; while he was good, he never regained the pinpoint touch that was his superpower). They got back to serious contention in 1989, and made their way to Browns-Broncos III at Mile High. But we all kind of knew that (a) they probably weren't good enough to get past Denver (Narrator: they weren't) and (b) this was probably the Last Dance for this group (Narrator: it was).

Nothing else since has come close. Sure, there were the one-off playoff games here and there, every decade or so. But that 1986-1987 stretch was the best Browns I've seen.

My two final thoughts:

1. Whenever there's a good Cleveland sports team (or anything else good in life -- family, friends, pets, job, hobbies, whatever), enjoy it. Enjoy every second. Soak up the good memories and the excitement as though you're using a sponge, and then wring out the sponge to get every last drop. It will all go by much more quickly than you expect.

2. If and when the Browns ever do get back to being a top team, this city could go crazy in a way we haven't seen. That's what I remember from 1986-1987. The constant Browns songs on the radio. Cars decorated in Browns colors. Not that we didn't get excited for the Cavs and Indians' great seasons along the way -- but there's just another gear that the town could hit if it's the Browns.

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