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Deshaun Watson Off the Field Thread v3: 11 games, $5M

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How many games does the NFL want to inflict

  • 6 + Fine

    Votes: 2 3.8%

  • 8

    Votes: 1 1.9%

  • 10

    Votes: 4 7.5%

  • 12

    Votes: 9 17.0%

  • Full Season

    Votes: 37 69.8%
  • Total voters
    53
  • Poll closed .
CuriousMinds said:
Market value would have been better wording. When I trade, if I see a breakout; I’ll pay the ask price on premium. If we don’t try (making a reasonable effort) to acquire Jimmy G we are chasing pennies in front of a steamroller.

JG has to be #1 priority.

Great question: what is the upside to not getting JG?
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The Browns would have significantly less rollover cap space for 2023 if they acquired Jimmy G at his current price.

I doubt they would trade for him unless it was on a dramatically reduced contract however.

That said... if Watson is suspended for 2022 and his contract doesn't accrue, that would open up about $10M in additional cap space for 2023, so I could absolutely see a scenario where the Browns offer Jimmy something like 1 year, $10M fully guaranteed to come in.
 
Out of the Rafters at the Q said:
You have to think that Jimmy's doors are:
  1. Start for a contender (Browns)
  2. Stick with a familiar system (Miami, where he only takes over if Tua fails)
  3. Start for a team that might lock you up long-term (Seattle)
Option 1 is probably the best option on the table. If Watson's out for the entire year, that is what I expect to happen.
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Option 1: Browns - you get a contending team that will showcase your skills for when you become a FA next season.
Option 2: Steelers - you get Hepatitis or maybe AIDS. Possibly both.
 
Hurl Bruce said:
Option 1: Browns - you get a contending team that will showcase your skills for when you become a FA next season.
Option 2: Steelers - you get Hepatitis or maybe AIDS. Possibly both.
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Why do you think Pittsburgh is familiar? McDaniel has recently worked with Jimmy in SF. Garoppolo should know the system.

I don't see any link to Matt Canada or Mike Tomlin.

I also don't think Pittsburgh has any interest. They're set with Pickett and Mitch.
 
Out of the Rafters at the Q said:
Why do you think Pittsburgh is familiar? McDaniel has recently worked with Jimmy in SF. Garoppolo should know the system.

I don't see any link to Matt Canada or Mike Tomlin.

I also don't think Pittsburgh has any interest. They're set with Pickett and Mitch.
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@Randolphkeys mentioned PIT. I just wanted to make a Pittsburgh joke.
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
You said 50 million, not a "few" million, and it wouldn't be the Browns doing it, but the NFL. So I don't think anyone is going to view that as bad faith on the part of the Browns if the NFL imposes a punishment that goes into next season. I think converting that salary to bonus after the NFL has levied a fine would look extraordinarily bad - set a terrible precedent where fines could be avoided simply by converting them to bonuses.


The problem is "us against the world" in this context is that it isn't just a players' mindset, but actually setting up the franchise in opposition to the NFL and other owners. There's a good chance the NFL would either void that modification, or hold that the amount of the fine is determined as of the moment the fine is imposed, and any after the fact conversion of that salary to a bonus wouldn't impact Watson's obligation to pay it. The Browns would be picking a brand new fight with the entire league, and not for their own benefit but for Watson's.

The dude got signed to a massive guaranteed deal. Trying to weasel out of a fine after you've lost in court -- assuming it ever gets there -- is just something I think the league wouldn't accept. If I'm the Browns, there's no way I'd do that. They made a good faith effort to shield Watson from fines in that initial deal, and it isn't their fault that Watson's conduce resulted in a fine for which neither side apparently planned.
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Someone said $50 million in this thread. It wasn't me. Last week the number going around was $10 million. Next week it may be his whole $240m contract. The actual dollar amount doesn't matter. The highest player fine, if I am not mistaken, is $1 million. If it is multiples of the highest ever fine issued against a player by the league, the NFLPA should fight it. I, as well as others, think this is an NFL-imposed penalty for the large guaranteed contract the Browns negotiated with Watson, not the penalty for the alleged actions.

I would rather have the team galvanized together than the low budget B horror movie/CW teen melodrama we watched last year. I'm not talking Al Davis Raiders cold war for decades against the league. The whole team having a Baker Mayfield sized chip on their shoulder for a season or two usually doesn't hurt.

Watson isn't weaseling out of the fine. He paid 23 of 24 of his accusers to settle their cases. The fine is an NFL corporate policy display of "We care, no really! Please buy more pink uniforms". This isn't a criminal or civil trial-based fine issued that he declared bankruptcy and is running out of. Money would go from Watson's or the Browns' account to the league coffers, which will then be publicly sent to domestic charity/charities which I am fine with.

The league reviews and approves all contracts. If the stipulations break the rules of the CBA, they can void the contract before being signed. Especially with the situation with Watson occurring before the trade and the new contract. If the stipulations are legal, it stays.
 
Randolphkeys said:
Tua should make Miami very nervous...

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Just want to emphasize one thing again...

The only way Deshaun Watson will lose anything approaching $50M dollars is if he's suspended for two full seasons. Otherwise his financial $ loss won't come anywhere close to that number.
 
If Watson is out a year his cap hit next year is only like 1M right same as it would be this year. So trading for or signing Jimmy shouldn’t be an issue
 
CBBI said:
Just want to emphasize one thing again...

The only way Deshaun Watson will lose anything approaching $50M dollars is if he's suspended for two full seasons. Otherwise his financial $ loss won't come anywhere close to that number.
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If Watson is suspended for a year you could say his potential loss in career earnings would be $45-50 million, even though his actual loss this year would technically be less. A two year suspension would be closer to $90-100m loss in hypothetical career earnings.
 
FrontPageNews said:
If Watson is out a year his cap hit next year is only like 1M right same as it would be this year. So trading for or signing Jimmy shouldn’t be an issue
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Regardless, the Browns would restructure Jimmy should they get him. Cut him a fat check for the cap space and let him roll for a year.

Looks like they could renegotiate his current contract and save all but 6 million on his current contract, if they were to trade for him.
 
southernflyer said:
If Watson is suspended for a year you could say his potential loss in career earnings would be $45-50 million, even though his actual loss this year would technically be less. A two year suspension would be closer to $90-100m loss in hypothetical career earnings.
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It's possible you'll end up correct as a 1 year suspension will put Watson a year further away from the end of his current contract than he otherwise would be, but we won't know how much the ramifications of Watson reaching free agency a year later than he expected to reach it will hypothetically cost him for quite a while.

It's certainly far enough away (and candidly the Browns are going to reach a point probably between years 3 and 4 of this existing contract where they'll have no choice but to extend Watson to push some of his money into the future) to where he and his agent probably aren't heavily factoring it in to their thought process. At least that's my feelings on the matter.
 
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