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Donovan Mitchell: All-NBA BEST Team

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Grade the Trade

  • A+

    Votes: 72 25.6%

  • A

    Votes: 110 39.1%

  • B

    Votes: 60 21.4%

  • C

    Votes: 27 9.6%

  • D

    Votes: 5 1.8%

  • F

    Votes: 7 2.5%
  • Total voters
    281
inliner311 said:
The only part I disagree on is adding a star player early in our contention window at the price we paid for Mitchell. I'm not sure our contender window is really open yet since I believe it all really depends on how and when Mobley makes his jump. I also think our team is going to be really shaped by what Mobley does best on offense.

I really think we should have waited to see how Mobley and the rest of the team evolved their game to push in our chips. This team is so young and the value of players seem to go down everytime they get traded. I'm worried about Mitchell's resale value if he doesn't work for this team, his Utah team was very ideally built roster wise for him and had some unique players to compliment him.
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I think the window doesn't really open until next season, but the Cavs are in a position to really collect if its one of them weird-ass seasons.

I mean let's look at the teams that are the class of the conference:

Boston
Sixers
Nets
Bucks

Shit, we know that the Sixers and Nets have big internal issues and can implode at any moment. Any moment, in fact, it is more likely that the Nets will implode or be injured, or both, than not. It is also likely that Harden will be mediocre once again in the playoffs, or disgruntled. While the Sixers and Nets are better teams than this year's iteration of the Cavs, on paper, I actually don't think they'll be there in the end and flame out early.

That means the Cavs are really only a big Boston and Milwaukee injury away from getting into the Finals. Weirder things have happened.

I think the Cavs can take Toronto or Miami.

Sometimes it pays to be knocking on the window early, because things sometimes open up unexpectedly.
 
I've got a lot of thoughts about why I'm a little disappointed in this move, why I'm nervously optimistic about it and such.

But right now I'll say you don't make a totally all-in move like this to wait a summer to find a competent small forward. That's no Bueno. You do this, and you had better be thinking of competing for titles every year starting now and that doesn't happen without a small forward.


So I'm shopping LeVert and Okoro, today, to find someone. They may not be perfect. They likely won't be. But you need someone who is either a serious catch and shoot threat or a defensive switching wing. Preferably both if you can find it.

I'm calling Dallas about Finney Smith. They might have real interest in getting another shot creator like LeVert after losing Brunson.

And I'm calling up the Heat about Duncan Robinson if that doesn't work out. LeVert for Robinson makes way too much sense for both teams now.
 
Rich said:
I've got a lot of thoughts about why I'm a little disappointed in this move, why I'm nervously optimistic about it and such.

But right now I'll say you don't make a totally all-in move like this to wait a summer to find a competent small forward. That's no Bueno. You do this, and you had better be thinking of competing for titles every year starting now and that doesn't happen without a small forward.


So I'm shopping LeVert and Okoro, today, to find someone. They may not be perfect. They likely won't be. But you need someone who is either a serious catch and shoot threat or a defensive switching wing. Preferably both if you can find it.

I'm calling Dallas about Finney Smith. They might have real interest in getting another shot creator like LeVert after losing Brunson.

And I'm calling up the Heat about Duncan Robinson if that doesn't work out. LeVert for Robinson makes way too much sense for both teams now.
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100% agree, they need to make a move for a SF now. I don’t agree with Duncan tho, he is no more a SF as LeVert. DFS is the dream
 
cabs said:
100% agree, they need to make a move for a SF now. I don’t agree with Duncan tho, he is no more a SF as LeVert. DFS is the dream
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He's an off the ball catch and shoot player and if they want this to work optimally, they have to get one of those.

Mitchell has operated his entire career with maximum space.

He will find no such thing here with the current roster. Even WITH Robinson he's still gonna have to deal with having two non-shooting bigs on the floor with him, something he really hasn't done much of.
 
Sebastian said:
I think the window doesn't really open until next season, but the Cavs are in a position to really collect if its one of them weird-ass seasons.

I mean let's look at the teams that are the class of the conference:

Boston
Sixers
Nets
Bucks

Shit, we know that the Sixers and Nets have big internal issues and can implode at any moment. Any moment, in fact, it is more likely that the Nets will implode or be injured, or both, than not. It is also likely that Harden will be mediocre once again in the playoffs, or disgruntled. While the Sixers and Nets are better teams than this year's iteration of the Cavs, on paper, I actually don't think they'll be there in the end and flame out early.

That means the Cavs are really only a big Boston and Milwaukee injury away from getting into the Finals. Weirder things have happened.

I think the Cavs can take Toronto or Miami.

Sometimes it pays to be knocking on the window early, because things sometimes open up unexpectedly.
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I look at Milwaukee and Middleton is getting older. They need a completely healthy team playing at its peak to win a title- everything came together for them two years ago, last year it crumbled.
Boston is interesting. While we’d worry about Tatum and Brown, wtf are they going to do with Mobley and Allen, with the same guys causing havoc for Tat/Brown as they attempt to get to the lane. The Cavs added scoring with this trade, which only is magnified in the playoffs. It will be an interesting series, esp if JB can coach at a high level.
Philly- until Embid makes it through a season and playoffs and Harden shows he’s the Houston version of himself, the Cavs can run them.
Yes this is an imperfect team, but what NBA team is perfect? They’re YOUNG as hell with an unknown ceiling. I’m excited.
 
Weeeelllll it will take me a bit to process this one.

I don't dislike Mitchell, but unsure how he'll fit here.

As many have stated, we're big and small focused, and now have even less versatility at the forward positions with Lauri gone.

We'll truly see what JBB is made of now, I guess.
 
I'm waiting for "The Gambler" to weigh in on this deal. I imagine he is happy with the bucks he shelled out already on this team.
 
Cavaliers' Updated Roster

PG: Darius Garland, Ricky Rubio, Raul Neto, RJ Nembhard Jr.

SG: Donovan Mitchell, Caris LeVert, Dylan Windler

SF: Cedi Osman, Isaac Okoro, Lamar Stevens, Lebron James

PF: Evan Mobley, Kevin Love, Dean Wade

C: Jarrett Allen, Robin Lopez, Isaiah Mobley
 
Often times big deals are products of intangibles as much as assets. And a Front Office can succeed by not only being competent, but parlaying the incompetence of others into positive outcomes.

More on how the Knicks played themselves out of the running by turning down a pretty reasonable offer because they thought they held all the cards:




 
CavsFaninNJ said:
We paid a good amount man - but honestly I think GMs are getting hip to the true value of draft picks. Ryen Rusillo was talking about it earlier today with Cowheard, so I'm using some of the logic he expressed, to give him credit.

I remember how Windy always said how weird it is that a draft pick has so much value, yet the actual best player available at whichever pick, right after they are drafted, has so much less value than the pick had, pre draft. It was silly. I think a lot of front offices are realizing that it's just a pick. It's a crapshoot. Some of these picks will be in the 20s. Some may even be in the teens. Hell, some may be top 10. But unless you get unlucky and give up a top 5 pick, you aren't going to get burned by trading picks away to win now. So while some GMs (Ainge) still want to stockpile as many picks as possible, others are like fuck it - take my pics. Especially teams who already have a young core.

The whole goal of a draft pick after all is to get a guy like Mitchell. Our big 3 was acquired with pick 3, pick 5, and being willing to take on a soon-to-be-free-agent big who can't shoot jumpers and wasn't friends with KD. And even if our 2029 pick ends up being top 5, it was probably worth it to add more star power early in our contention window.
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To piggyback on this, the distribution of performances in the NBA draft, especially once you reach the late first round gets pretty disparate. The NBA draft should really be taught in statistics / logic classes as a way to explain selection bias. Everyone remembers the dudes like, A.C. Green, Dennis Rodman and Kyle Lowry who are drafted late and go on to have hall of fame level careers. The reality is for everyone of those guys with Win Shares (which isn't a great stat, I know) in the 80+ area, there's 2 or more guys picked that are like Joseph Forte, Jared Cunningham and Dan Dickau. I've attached a picture of what median / average performances are of picks 19-30 along with the standard deviation. I think this really is in alignment with Russillo's point that once you get past a certain point the draft it's basically no different than the lottery (the state run one that hands out money, not the NBA draft lottery). I don't know that we should be too concerned about a player that averages 18mpg with a 7/3/1, that the median 20th overall pick contributes. But below is at least my data series for discussion!

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inliner311 said:
I do think they jump the gun. For the defensive part, Mitchell or Garland will now have to take the best guard on defense for a good portion of the game. I felt like Sexton could have brought that additional offense not only at a lower cost but with more flexibility on how to play him and the potential to add a piece with the draft picks we had.

I get that Mitchell was available now but I don't believe he was close to the ideal fit to our other 3 best players. Players get traded all the time now so striking while the iron is hot but for a player that isn't the ideal pick isn't so cut and dry as it use to be. We gave up a lot of our assets to do it.

I think a more ideal fit would have came along for this team in the future, it wasn't necessary to go all in right now with how young this team is. I've said in the past that jumping the gun can be detrimental to a teams success when you look back at other teams. I'm also not sure the league views Mitchell as a player that just fits in to any team, the market didn't seem that robust for him.
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The market for Mitchell wasn’t robust because few teams had the needed assets and the will to pull the trigger.
 
Heat Check said:
The tide is turning in the NBA.

The era of the entitled, passive-aggressive, me-first, superteam-forming, emoji-tweeting, brand-conscious, disloyal "superstar" is all but over. The Hardens, Kyries, Durants, Westbrooks & co are riding off into the sunset.

They're being replaced by guys who don't think the grass is always greener on the other side. Dudes like Jokic, Giannis, Morant and Doncic.

Buta a few holdouts, or should I say throwbacks, remain. Unfortunately, Donovan Mitchell is one of them. When he signed his max deal, you never got the impression that it meant anything more than money to him. He couldn't care less about Utah, the team that paid him. You just knew that when things inevitably turned sour, he'd be tweeting cryptic shit and leaking stuff to the media through his "people". That's what these guys do. They're as cynical as they come.

And that's what Mitchell will do at Cleveland as well.

This trade is truly inexplicable.
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Your comments true to form.
 
Heat Check said:
The tide is turning in the NBA.

The era of the entitled, passive-aggressive, me-first, superteam-forming, emoji-tweeting, brand-conscious, disloyal "superstar" is all but over. The Hardens, Kyries, Durants, Westbrooks & co are riding off into the sunset.

They're being replaced by guys who don't think the grass is always greener on the other side. Dudes like Jokic, Giannis, Morant and Doncic.

Buta a few holdouts, or should I say throwbacks, remain. Unfortunately, Donovan Mitchell is one of them. When he signed his max deal, you never got the impression that it meant anything more than money to him. He couldn't care less about Utah, the team that paid him. You just knew that when things inevitably turned sour, he'd be tweeting cryptic shit and leaking stuff to the media through his "people". That's what these guys do. They're as cynical as they come.

And that's what Mitchell will do at Cleveland as well.

This trade is truly inexplicable.
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My weather app this morning said:

Heat Check index is at 94: prepare for standard complaints and general pessimism, likely continuing forever.
 
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