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Donovan Mitchell: All-NBA BEST Team

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Grade the Trade

  • A+

    Votes: 72 25.6%

  • A

    Votes: 110 39.1%

  • B

    Votes: 60 21.4%

  • C

    Votes: 27 9.6%

  • D

    Votes: 5 1.8%

  • F

    Votes: 7 2.5%
  • Total voters
    281
foucault87 said:
One last thought because I feel like im flooding this thread at the moment and want to let the discussion continue from others...

I am still not sure if I love this deal, but I at least don't hate it. I think our goal in 2022-23 will not be to contend, at least at the start of the season. We have one of the stronger top 4s in the league and reasonable depth even if it is mostly bench level guys. I think we can expect to be above the playin level and scare some of the other teams AT WORST.

This then opens up the door for us to try to figure out what to do with the 3 situation, probably move LeVert and Windler for something. Or honestly, we could just turn Cedi and 2 2nds into Jae Crowder. We can see how Okoro develops as hes about to make his leap and we get the consistent performance from Wade/Stevens and of course Cedi.

But its going to be the long stretch that will be really exciting. Really looking forward to it!
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If Jae Crowder ever puts on a Cavs jersey again, I will be there to defecate in his mouth.
 
cliffdawg said:
I see a lot of posts saying I understand we might have 4 potential All-stars starting , but what about SF, are you kidding me we have 4 potential All-Stars ,2 potential good to great bench players ( Love and LeVert) and people is worry about who playing SF……. It’s not like Steven and Wade , Okoro , Cedi are scrubs ………
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I’m not convinced they aren’t.
 
cliffdawg said:
I see a lot of posts saying I understand we might have 4 potential All-stars starting , but what about SF, are you kidding me we have 4 potential All-Stars ,2 potential good to great bench players ( Love and LeVert) and people is worry about who playing SF……. It’s not like Steven and Wade , Okoro , Cedi are scrubs ………
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It is hard to think of a worse SF situation in the league. If you can, we are probably splitting hairs.

The tougher thing about small forward, is the pool of available guys seems like it may as well be zero.

I'm more inclined to just see if Okoro can swim and not sink, relative to our other options.

Maybe Koby can pull a rabbit out of a hat but if not, we need to pray for a decent buyout guy to emerge.
 
I'mWithDan said:
It is hard to think of a worse SF situation in the league. If you can, we are probably splitting hairs.

The tougher thing about small forward, is the pool of available guys seems like it may as well be zero.

I'm more inclined to just see if Okoro can swim and not sink, relative to our other options.

Maybe Koby can pull a rabbit out of a hat but if not, we need to pray for a decent buyout guy to emerge.
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Won't be ready til possibly the playoffs but Danny Green?
 
JMoneyYourHoney said:
This team strongly resembles the Price/Daugherty Cavs pre-Harper, which never got out of the first round in part because they had a carpet cleaner playing SF.
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I will NOT stand for this Mike Sanders-slander. He's not a carpet cleaner. Last I heard he was working with the Parks and Recreation Department in St. Charles Louisiana.
 
I'mWithDan said:
It is hard to think of a worse SF situation in the league. If you can, we are probably splitting hairs.

The tougher thing about small forward, is the pool of available guys seems like it may as well be zero.

I'm more inclined to just see if Okoro can swim and not sink, relative to our other options.

Maybe Koby can pull a rabbit out of a hat but if not, we need to pray for a decent buyout guy to emerge.
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It may be one of those things where we have to wait until next year to really fill out that spot. in the meantime you obviously don't sit on your hands, which Altman clearly isn't doing.
 
I'mWithDan said:
It is hard to think of a worse SF situation in the league. If you can, we are probably splitting hairs.

The tougher thing about small forward, is the pool of available guys seems like it may as well be zero.

I'm more inclined to just see if Okoro can swim and not sink, relative to our other options.

Maybe Koby can pull a rabbit out of a hat but if not, we need to pray for a decent buyout guy to emerge.
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I wonder if Koby had refused to give up Agbaji, but said: "Here - take any one of LeVert, Stevens, Wade, Okoro, Cedi", the Jazz would have called off the deal.

Agbaji was the one guy who we didn't know if he sucked yet.
 
foucault87 said:
Dont want to detract from the thread too much, but Nurk is cleanly in the 2nd tier of switchable bigs imo. He is more nimble than a Vucevic or Mitch Robinson type. Mobley is probably top 5 switchable big as a rookie and Allen is probably top 10 as well. Nurk isn't that high but again, he isn't an old school dino either.


To make this more topical, I do think that the strategic decision to zag into a right and left tail roster rather than a middle roster is interesting. Wings are highly sought after by everyone which means even mediocre wings are worth more than comparable guards or wings. Look at how much someone like Evan Fournier makes compared to Duke legend Marvin Bagley or Duke legend Grayson Allen. If we could get an average 3nD wing (Reggie Bullock?) for cheap, I would love it but they are really expensive. Royce O'neal who is above average to good as both a catch and shoot 3 guy and defensive 2/3 guy was just traded for a FRP.

As a result, we are looking at a deflated market for both guards and bigs, even tho the current crop of guards is as good as its ever been and this group of bigs is the best since the late 90s. And we have 4! of those guys. Yes, wings matter a lot now, but our plan should be for 5 years from now, and who knows what the league looks like then.

Either way, good team building is about two things: finding elite talent and then getting the most you can from that talent. We have done step one, even if it is not at the position everyone would rather like. We could just as easily be looking at a core of Jarrett Culver, Cam Reddish, and Jalen Green. Ew. Koby's goal now is to maximize what we have. I think we have a solid 3 on our roster that can at least cover for 2023-24 (who im not sure but one of the guys). From there, we will see what happens.
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Jarrett Culver, Cam Reddish, and Jalen Green are EXACTLY the kinds of quality wings this team could use! Koby needs to get Culver's agent on the horn, STAT!
 
KilgoreTrout said:
I wonder if Koby had refused to give up Agbaji, but said: "Here - take any one of LeVert, Stevens, Wade, Okoro, Cedi", the Jazz would have called off the deal.

Agbaji was the one guy who we didn't know if he sucked yet.
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Well, if past history holds true on Cavs 1st round picks that played summer league and got traded before the season started, he’ll put up good numbers but won’t be super until he gets to the Warriors and is that spark and defensive stopper helping them win another championship. Just my two pennies worth. LOL!!
 
kookoo said:
I don't think any of those players would start at SF on any team in the NBA.
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I think that train has passed both Stevens and Wade for sure. Stevens is very good against smaller teams where he can play bully ball. When he can't do that, he's in trouble.

Okoro is young and still developing. Cedi...he's the guy I think could be a bit more interesting this year. He's sometimes performed very well when he's the 3rd/4th offensive option. He's a smart player, good passer, and plays good team defense. But if you ask him to be any kind of initiator, or break down a defense, it gets ugly fast. His decision-making as a ball-handler rather than a ball-mover is horrible. So...keep him away from ball handling.

It just seems to me that if you put him on the floor with Garland, Mitchell, Mobley, and Allen, you're putting him in the best possible position to excel, and to help keep that ball moving. I think that might be important as Garland and Mitchell try to stay out of a "your turn/my turn" offense.
 
KilgoreTrout said:
Agbaji was the one guy who we didn't know if he sucked yet.
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The biggest loser in this trade is easily OA. He was attached to a young core, with a defined role and a pathway to success.

He's now going to go to a shit show roster, that is going to try to purposely lose for 3-4 straight years.

In the process, he'll get to stand in the corner and watch Sexton cook at a 30+% USG rate. I kind of feel bad for him.
 
I'mWithDan said:
The biggest loser in this trade is easily OA. He was attached to a young core, with a defined role and a pathway to success.

He's now going to go to a shit show roster, that is going to try to purposely lose for 3-4 straight years.

In the process, he'll get to stand in the corner and watch Sexton cook at a 30+% USG rate. I kind of feel bad for him.
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Not sure. Agbaji will get burn, in Utah. Not sure how many minutes he would have gotten here. Of course, he would have to suck balls, in order to not beat out Okoro. I guess we'll never know.
 
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