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2023 Browns Offseason Thread: Tamper Time Is Upon Us

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Not calling you out, but genuinely asking, what are some (any?) DT examples of this?

All these guys probably would have gotten more had they waited. All extensions signed last year.

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With or without a Dre'mont signing, I would feel the same way about addressing the DL: Sign multiple guys to increase depth across the DL instead of being top heavy with on one or two guys...

We saw the Browns take this approach with Garrett and Clowney this past two years, and it work with mixed results... Some of it may be due to so-so drafting and development, where having high priced starters puts pressure on your rookies to contribute, and the other part may be due to the Browns kicking the can down the road on truly cementing their pieces on the defensive line..

Regardless, I would rather see the Browns sign three to four mid-level free agents on the defensive line for the same price as two high priced free agents... An injury to one of your high end free agents, puts the Browns in the exact same place they were the previous couple years... Having rotational depth along the defensive line protects them from injury and keeps the defensive line fresh throughout the games.

For example, would be perfectly content if they settle on Houston and Okoronkwo at EDGE and Poona Ford/Wormley and Matt Ioannidis/Cox over Dre'mont and Ngakoue..
 

Texans also signing Keenum to continue their fascination with low level ex browns
 
In a world were Watson leaves us at the end of this contract, we are fucked without a qb anyways. One year or even 2 of cap hell to move our chips in and go for it. Tampa and New Orleans both did this with Tom and Brees and all it got them was a SB victory.

I would 100% make that trade, ie 2 bad years for a title.

But obviously, you still may not get one. That's always the problem with going "all-in".
 
Jordan Elliott deciding to really shit the bed the first year he had a chance to make a name for himself was a blow.

We also drafted Togiai who has been dreadful and honestly I’m surprised by that one.

Winfrey might still be okay.

But we have drafted guys.

It’s the develop part of draft and develop that we have an issue with.
 
Well, when we trade as much draft capital as we did for Watson and give him 230 million guaranteed, it's kind of hard not to "go all in" at this point. Can't half-ass it now.

I'm not as big on Dre'Mont Jones and would not want to give him $20m. Sounds like we're in on him - my hope is that we're trying to avoid breaking the bank. But I'd give 20 million to DeForest Buckner... he's the guy I've been dreaming about. Then sign a mid level (4-6 million) DT on top of that.
 
Well, when we trade as much draft capital as we did for Watson and give him 230 million guaranteed, it's kind of hard not to "go all in" at this point. Can't half-ass it now.

I'm not as big on Dre'Mont Jones and would not want to give him $20m. Sounds like we're in on him - my hope is that we're trying to avoid breaking the bank. But I'd give 20 million to DeForest Buckner... he's the guy I've been dreaming about. Then sign a mid level (4-6 million) DT on top of that.

Buckner will cost more than $20M. He'll also require a top 75 pick.
 
With or without a Dre'mont signing, I would feel the same way about addressing the DL: Sign multiple guys to increase depth across the DL instead of being top heavy with on one or two guys...

We saw the Browns take this approach with Garrett and Clowney this past two years

Defensive line is an area of compounding results.

When your defensive tackles don't demand double-teams, then the offensive line can slide protections towards Myles. He gets double or triple-teamed every single play and all of a sudden the best defensive end in football is neutralized.

By adding better players inside, you force the math to balance back out. Now all of a sudden those three interior linemen have responsibilities that they need to focus on, and Myles gets himself alone on the tackle, with at most a tight end or RB helping out. You've now put yourself in a winning position.

I also want to point out that Jadeveon Clowney is not, and has never been, an exceptional edge rusher. He's a great blend of size, strength and speed--but it's all straight-line. He can't bend around an edge and can't finish a play. That's why he's always been so good against the run but not great at generating sacks. It's why his best pass-rushing snaps over the past five years came standing up as a linebacker in Tennessee, rushing the A-gap.

I am firmly in the camp that says the way to open up Myles and our defense isn't a better edge on the opposite side--it's two really good defensive tackles occupying the middle. Prevent a guard from helping the tackle and you've won. Myles beats a single tackle. He beats a tackle who gets a chip block from a tight end or RB. And, if they're keeping the tight end and/or RB in to block, Myles just eliminated a passing option, helping the math in your secondary.
 
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