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2023 Week 2: Browns @ The Scum-Sucking Steelers.

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They just didn't look good on offense at all... The OLine didn't look good and Watson wasn't making the throws he has to make either...

Ford didn't look bad at least...
 
Stefanski was one of the major proponents of bringing him here.

It’s absolutely fair that he gets the boot if Watson doesn’t turn it around.
Put that way I agree

I guess my main point is I don’t think Watson failing is Stefanski’s fault for as critical as I can be on Kev. The problem with Watson atm is… Watson.
 
Lost 3 fumbles and an interception, terrible field position every possession missing balls on punts, so many penalties.

Literally everything went wrong
 
The Chubb injury is absolutely irrelevant if this who Deshaun is. No more excuses for him. It's 8 games and in a moment of honesty, I almost guarantee you everybody in that building would void that contract in a heartbeat if they could.
True. It would be Baker 2.0.
 
The Chubb injury is absolutely irrelevant if this who Deshaun is. No more excuses for him. It's 8 games and in a moment of honesty, I almost guarantee you everybody in that building would void that contract in a heartbeat if they could.

Bingo.

Chubb's injury is horrible, but even if he doesn't get hurt the Browns aren't winning dick with bottom 5 QB play.
 
Feel a lot of emotion in this thread. Hard to accurately judge the game after Chubb went down in such a brutal way. If we feel that, his teammates do ten fold. Team looked lost after he went down.
While fair I have been consistently critical of Watson since last season. Since he stepped on the field our offense has been considerably worse. And I am not interested in excuses at this point. If 8 games in Jacoby Brissett would be an upgrade, you’re not the guy
 
Don’t post often, but moved to after watching an offense that — despite the loss of the player who is clearly the primary engine to the offense’s comfort — did not operate cohesively pre- or post-snap. The one exception may be the rhythm shared between Watson and Cooper. What’s concerning is that Watson appears subject to scheming players open on basic reads, in the infrequent occasions that happens in Stefanski’s play set.

Rather than elevating the play of his skill position teammates (DPJ, Njoku, Moore), Watson seems determined by their limitations. A good offensive play caller and a franchise quarterback elevate the play of those around them — rather than stand subject to them.

There are plenty of underachievers out there tonight, defensively (Garrett, Emerson, and Newsome among them) and offensively (Watson, Teller, Wills, Bryant) — which makes my concern two fold, neither option is pleasant and may be both at the same time:

1) Either Watson is facing defenses that limit what made him so valuable back in 2019-2020 (stretching the back side of the defense in 20-30+ yard attempts + completions), and he is unable to recognize, adapt to, or manipulate the coverages that limit what value he brings through the air.

And/Or

(2) Stefanski is at a crossroads between a playbook that on paper makes sense given his personnel with the reality of the players who are actually executing — be it Watson, Moore, Njoku, or the entire offensive line (which seems a tad overrated). I also recognize that making sweeping conclusions after two weeks of play in a new season is a fool’s errand — but I only share these two because they are so reminiscent of the issues we saw last year, when certain excuses held slightly more sway than this year…

In the end, this week strikes me as a regression from Week 1 to last season, wherein Watson tried to play hero too much by hanging onto the ball and seeking to make the big play (hence the sacks, without absolving Jed Wills of his characteristic uninspired play). In my mind, Stefanski needs to draw up more quick hitting/less slow developing plays that take the thinking and creativity out of Watson’s primary mindset and capitalize and leverage the quick-hitting accuracy(?) of Watson with skill positions players like Moore, DPJ, and Cooper. That’s not to say Watson need be a one-read quarterback, but we see the risk of holding onto the ball in hopes of “making” a play downfield can have.

Lots of issues to sort out on both sides of the ball. I’m more optimistic about the defensive side of the ball, despite the blown coverage on the Pickens TD. If we’re going to go anywhere, our offense needs to help take us there, and we aren’t “there” yet.
 
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Just for reference about the overall QB play through two weeks, Jordan Love leads the league in passer rating and is top 4 in QBR and he's completing 55% of his passes.

The three best QBs, to my eye, have been Tua, Brock Purdy, and Kirk Cousins.

So, ya know....it's rough out there. Lotta weeks left.
 
I think Berry survives and Stefanski does not.

I don't like Stefanski, yeah, he will be gone. He really doesn't even deserve to be fired.

We had a competent offense under Brissett. I don't think Stefanski is a bad offensive coach. Yeah, he will have his infamous brain fart, nonsense at times. My beef is his in-game adjustments, and clock management.

Offensive design, is not his weak spot. If Watson can't succeed in his offense, when a freaking backup like Brissett showed he can. And we got better weapons than last year.

It's obvious who the problem is.

I can go either way on Berry. He's not really blown me away. Haslam has to double down on Watson though. He's the reason we are in this mess.
 
Predicting that the worst possible outcome will happen doesn't make you an Oracle, it makes you clinically depressed.

Stefanski has always designed the offense to take advantage of great players on his offense and the weaknesses of his opponents. Few coaches can survive losing two All Pros, one unexpectedly when the plan was working, and pull it out in-game.

Will it work out if you predict the Browns will never figure out how to switch identities? Odds are good... but you are also signing up for clinical depression to do this at every sign of conflict.
 
Predicting that the worst possible outcome will happen doesn't make you an Oracle, it makes you clinically depressed.

Stefanski has always designed the offense to take advantage of great players on his offense and the weaknesses of his opponents. Few coaches can survive losing two All Pros,cone unexpectedly, and pull it out in-game.

Will it work out if you predict the Browns will never figure out how to switch identities? Odds are good... but you are also signing up for clinical depression to do this at every sign of conflict.
Talking sense in a game thread? C'mon now. ;)
 

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