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mopete12 said:
I'm about halfway through Lords of the Realm by John Helyar which is a pretty interesting history of baseball ownership, the players union, and the interaction between the two. Lots of history of owners claiming poverty/losses in public that turns out to be bullcrap.
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I cannot recommend this book enough for people to get a good understanding of the sports/labor history. One nugget I liked was before the players association, I believe it was the Dodgers who determined that they could let everyone in the park for free and still turn a profit because of concession sales. (Obviously before the implementation of free agency.)

There is also some interesting Pete Rose/gambling nuggets in there that rarely, if ever, get mentioned these days whenever Rose is the topic of the day.
 
I don't know what all the bickering is about. We all agree that no owners should have to operate at a loss out of civic responsibility. At the same time, you don't have to show a profit every single year as long as the team is profitable or at least breaking even over say a five-year period.

Which means if things come together and you win 92 games with the youngest team in the majors you might just agree to sign a Josh Bell and Mike Zunino to get over the hump, even if it might mean a small operating loss for one season.

I believe the Dolans have said they are willing to spend when the time is right, but the underlying approach will always be based on intelligent scouting, drafting, international signings, and above all player development programs that are state of the art. And once you develop star players you trade them for the next wave just when they become too expensive but hopefully are still at peak value.

At least that's how I think it works. I'm just thankful that despite one of the smallest budgets in baseball this organization continues to turn out winning teams year after year. And I kind of enjoy being a fan of a bunch of young up-and-comers. Not that I would be upset if we signed Ohtani and traded for Juan Soto, but I don't see how Gaurdians fans can complain when you look at the W-L the last ten years.

Only thing I would complain about is the name change, but I'm over that.
 
thestatman said:
If you are speaking of me, I'll say to you that I never said I was a jaded fan. Nice try. What I said wayyy up above was that owners, in particular baseball owners, have stepped beyond their means in order to win a title. I've cited a few examples of them doing just that. If you can't follow that, well that's on you.
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But you made up the examples, so I don’t care.

Nobody isn’t following you. They’re just bad takes.
 
Wham with the Right Hand said:
I don't know what all the bickering is about. We all agree that no owners should have to operate at a loss out of civic responsibility. At the same time, you don't have to show a profit every single year as long as the team is profitable or at least breaking even over say a five-year period.

Which means if things come together and you win 92 games with the youngest team in the majors you might just agree to sign a Josh Bell and Mike Zunino to get over the hump, even if it might mean a small operating loss for one season.

I believe the Dolans have said they are willing to spend when the time is right, but the underlying approach will always be based on intelligent scouting, drafting, international signings, and above all player development programs that are state of the art. And once you develop star players you trade them for the next wave just when they become too expensive but hopefully are still at peak value.

At least that's how I think it works. I'm just thankful that despite one of the smallest budgets in baseball this organization continues to turn out winning teams year after year. And I kind of enjoy being a fan of a bunch of young up-and-comers. Not that I would be upset if we signed Ohtani and traded for Juan Soto, but I don't see how Gaurdians fans can complain when you look at the W-L the last ten years.

Only thing I would complain about is the name change, but I'm over that.
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Wham.

I love you man.

I have explained to you and others like you elsewhere a very non-public breakdown of how revenue sharing works in the MLB using literal numbers from organizations asset statements.

Teams do not operate in a loss. Ever. No matter how much they spend on payroll. You couldn't spend enough on payroll to do so for a fiscal season. That is never the issue. Liquidity is the issue, and those issues won't change until fan demand comes back and prices go up.

There are no "goodness of their hearts" owners or "cheap Scrooge McDucks". These guys are all churning out profit on the same margins year after year.

I honestly don't know why this is an argument. This is the reality of the $ side of baseball.
 
To actually make my first on topic post in here.

The new Beebs, same as the old Beebs.

There’s a slight difference in spending the off-season throwing at Driveline vs throwing to Javier the bellhop on your honeymoon.
 
Putting aside the debate on if any MLB owners are running charities instead of businesses, and returning to the topic. I think the main thing so far is that he has been keeping balls on the ground and not giving up homeruns. There are aspects of what he is doing that will regress towards the mean, but I think overall after all the worry about if he will be the same old player, we can rest easy knowing that if he stays healthy he's going to have a pretty decent to great season. I'd love to find a way to sign him, but if we trade him his age production should command value.
 
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The Human Q-Tip said:
I never said that the owners are writing checks to players out of their personal accounts.. They obviously cannot do that. But they are not barred from recapitalizing their franchises, and the fungibility of money means that frees up other funds to pay players.
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And they should do that why ? To make you happy ? What other organization recapitalized their franchise, for players
Minn, KC, Milwaukee, pitts, reds Which one ?
 
avs2000 said:
Could be they make a lot of money because they are located in NYC. ???
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Could be.

It's almost like market and relationship with payroll matters more in baseball than other pro sports.

But no, it's just owners who don't want to spend and ones who do because they want to win.
 
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