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Kevin Love - Miami Ground Machine

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Is Kevin Love a Hero for Saving a Dog?

  • Yes

    Votes: 28 48.3%

  • Too Right!

    Votes: 2 3.4%

  • Hotter than Jimmy G

    Votes: 15 25.9%

  • Jim Chones

    Votes: 13 22.4%
  • Total voters
    58
It's just bizarre how defiant fans can be in the face of actual production in their bias. I'd say Tristan Thompson has probably been the most positive asset towards winning basketball on the court this year with Love finishing in second. They have both contributed a few clunkers, but they play big minutes for a good reason. They have also received just about the most hate from the fanbase now that Clarkson is gone.

They are the most highly paid, but at $29 million and $18.5 they are getting veteran solid starter money - roughly what Horford makes in Philly and what Bogdanovic makes in Utah. They are making market rate, especially for when they signed.

But then the roster is literally STUFFED with wasted cash with barely any production to show for it. Brandon Knight, Delly, and Henson have a production to paycheck ratio that make trust fund kids blush. The difference is that we got a few second rounders to store their rotting careers, so nobody makes a big deal about it.

It should be a bigger deal. The fact this franchise doesn't have a swingman who deserves playing time should be a bigger deal. The alarming lack of load management for vets should be a bigger deal.

But instead we go back to kicking the dog in response to a lousy marriage.

And in the wake of this vitriol has been profuse support for Garland, wild hyperbole for Porter, hot and cold support for Sexton. I get it. If this franchise is going to turn it around, it will be because these guys develop. But more often than not, it's their steep learning curve that costs the team wins, not Love.

But scapegoating the two guys who are actually producing with some semblance of efficiency just makes me not want to talk Cavs around here anymore.
 
Does anyone here really think we're going to better in the short-term if/when we trade Love? I mean, if he's such a problem, it would stand to reason that we'd improve just by shipping him out. But does anyone really think that would happen? Even a good defensive 4 isn't going to suddenly make us a good team.

FWIW, Portland looks to be officially out of the Love sweepstakes this season after their trade for Ariza and giblets. Maybe in the summer if he's not already gone by then.
 
Coyote said:
Does anyone here really think we're going to better in the short-term if/when we trade Love? I mean, if he's such a problem, it would stand to reason that we'd improve just by shipping him out. But does anyone really think that would happen? Even a good defensive 4 isn't going to suddenly make us a good team.

FWIW, Portland looks to be officially out of the Love sweepstakes this season after their trade for Ariza and giblets. Maybe in the summer if he's not already gone by then.
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I am actually ok with keeping love unless we get fair return. I would do a lot of load mgmt with him. For his production his contract isnt out of wack
 
Randolphkeys said:
It's just bizarre how defiant fans can be in the face of actual production in their bias. I'd say Tristan Thompson has probably been the most positive asset towards winning basketball on the court this year with Love finishing in second. They have both contributed a few clunkers, but they play big minutes for a good reason. They have also received just about the most hate from the fanbase now that Clarkson is gone.

They are the most highly paid, but at $29 million and $18.5 they are getting veteran solid starter money - roughly what Horford makes in Philly and what Bogdanovic makes in Utah. They are making market rate, especially for when they signed.

But then the roster is literally STUFFED with wasted cash with barely any production to show for it. Brandon Knight, Delly, and Henson have a production to paycheck ratio that make trust fund kids blush. The difference is that we got a few second rounders to store their rotting careers, so nobody makes a big deal about it.

It should be a bigger deal. The fact this franchise doesn't have a swingman who deserves playing time should be a bigger deal. The alarming lack of load management for vets should be a bigger deal.

But instead we go back to kicking the dog in response to a lousy marriage.

And in the wake of this vitriol has been profuse support for Garland, wild hyperbole for Porter, hot and cold support for Sexton. I get it. If this franchise is going to turn it around, it will be because these guys develop. But more often than not, it's their steep learning curve that costs the team wins, not Love.

But scapegoating the two guys who are actually producing with some semblance of efficiency just makes me not want to talk Cavs around here anymore.
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Don’t read much in the Cavs section anymore. People are actually blaming Love and TT for losses? That’s laughable. When you’re taking about positive play I think you have to give Cedi some credit too.

Garland/Sexton is a nightmare defensively, as we all predicted. One weak link can easily ruin your defense in the NBA. We start two. From a physical, mental, and effort standpoint, they’ve been disappointing.

Other than an improved jumper, Nance has been a bit disappointing as well, and he’s supposed to be a big part of our team. I know he’s had injuries, and I don’t like that the Cavs have him standing in the corner on offense a lot, but I don’t think he has the aggressiveness or touch to develop offensively on his own. He has to be in a system with solid pieces playing around him. Not gonna hold my breath on that.
 
avs2000 said:
I am actually ok with keeping love unless we get fair return. I would do a lot of load mgmt with him. For his production his contract isnt out of wack
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Oh, I am, too. It's critical we get a good return on any trade. Unless there's something going on in the locker room that we haven't heard about--and with this team, it seems like we hear about everything--I'm okay with keeping him until the right deal comes along. It's not like his salary is preventing us from signing top shelf free agents. They aren't coming here anyway.
 
I think Love's inability to run the floor and get back on defense, especially when he's posted up in the corner or in the low post when the shot goes up is costing us points. I think his defensive liabilities cost us as many points as he scores. He's the worst defender on the team other than Knight and Sexton.

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That being said, he's not the main reason for the losing. That would be inexperience at the guard position and lack of rim protection by the entire front line, not just Love.
 
He gave up on hustling because the guards don't play winning basketball.

No


Shit
 
People are making a mistake if they're expecting wins this year. Was never gonna happen. So trying to figure out the reasons we don't win is like trying to say which is the most dazzling star in the sky - everyone has an opinion, there's a million of them, and they're all correct.
 
Randolphkeys said:
He gave up on hustling because the guards don't play winning basketball.

No


Shit
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Love is taking as few shots per game as he did when LeBron and Irving were in town while Sexton is jacking up shots at Irving levels.

Love's playing second fiddle to a guy who couldn't pour piss out of a boot if the directions were written on the heel.
 
Coyote said:
Does anyone here really think we're going to better in the short-term if/when we trade Love? I mean, if he's such a problem, it would stand to reason that we'd improve just by shipping him out. But does anyone really think that would happen? Even a good defensive 4 isn't going to suddenly make us a good team.

FWIW, Portland looks to be officially out of the Love sweepstakes this season after their trade for Ariza and giblets. Maybe in the summer if he's not already gone by then.
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The problem as I have said in the past, is that Altman can't just trade Love for draft picks, the Cavs need upgrades. They need more than one player in return plus a high pick.
This team needs a huge influx of talent ,otherwise they will continue to flounder at the bottom of the basement.
Will it happen? I don't know.
 
Green Lantern said:
The problem as I have said in the past, is that Altman can't just trade Love for draft picks, the Cavs need upgrades. They need more than one player in return plus a high pick.
This team needs a huge influx of talent ,otherwise they will continue to flounder at the bottom of the basement.
Will it happen? I don't know.
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Actually, if they just gave Love away for nothing it would free up $91 million over the next three years which could be used to sign younger players. In 2-3 years the Cavs would be a better team even if they got nothing in return for Love.

Any team trading for him assumes the $91 million commitment, which severly impacts their ability to sign free agents, plus they run the risk of Love getting injured again or his ability declining in his early 30's. That's why it's been reported that teams would want the Cavs to throw in a first round pick in order to make it worth their while to take on that huge, very risky contract.

I think you could also make the argument that Love's current level of play, considering both offense and defense, doesn't justify the $30 million he's getting now. And he's not going to get better the next three years; he probably won't even be able to sustain his current level of play, even if he manages to play three-and-a-half more years with no significant injuries.

I hope Charles Barkley is right when he says Love will be moved to a contender in the next two weeks. But if the Cavs have to throw in their first round pick next year I don't see it happening. Maybe if the pick is top ten protected.
 
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I sure wouldn't get rid of Love just to get some "younger" players unless they got some genuine talent. We got a bunch of young players who ain't getting it done already.
 
Wham with the Right Hand said:
Actually, if they just gave Love away for nothing it would free up $91 million over the next three years which could be used to sign younger players. In 2-3 years the Cavs would be a better team even if they got nothing in return for Love.

Any team trading for him assumes the $91 million commitment, which severly impacts their ability to sign free agents, plus they run the risk of Love getting injured again or his ability declining in his early 30's. That's why it's been reported that teams would want the Cavs to throw in a first round pick in order to make it worth their while to take on that huge, very risky contract.

I think you could also make the argument that Love's current level of play, considering both offense and defense, doesn't justify the $30 million he's getting now. And he's not going to get better the next three years; he probably won't even be able to sustain his current level of play, even if he manages to play three-and-a-half more years with no significant injuries.

I hope Charles Barkley is right when he says Love will be moved to a contender in the next two weeks. But if the Cavs have to throw in their first round pick next year I don't see it happening. Maybe if the pick is top ten protected.
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If they throw in a 1st, it will be one from a playoff contender from another trade such as a TT trade. We can’t throw in one of ours.
 
If we're not actually getting anything back, I'm not trading Love.

And no, cap space isn't worth it. We'll already have cap space even with Love on the payroll.

Giving up an asset to acquire cap space just so you can take on a bad contract later on to acquire an asset is all we'd end up doing. It's an endless loop of madness.
 
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