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Cavaliers Fantasy Trade Thread: 2020 Draft

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A Knicks blog just put out a mock draft where the Cavs trade #5 and I assume some combo of Exum and flotsom. We receive the #10, Kelly Oubre, and a 2022 second rounder from Phoenix.


The irony of a Knicks blog calling the Cavs "relatable losers" should not be lost.

I am not high on Williams. I think he can be a good role player and will prob be a good defender. He just doesn't have the feel for the game I am looking for.
 
I don't think drafting Haliburton is necessarily giving up on Garland. I would trade Garland if we got good value back but I don't think they have to trade Garland or give up on him.

Haliburton could easily play with Garland or Sexton. He played off the ball his freshman year. I know it's not the ideal fit but it does expand the versatility of the roster to add someone who can be a playmaking PG and have the size to guard SGs.

The NBA is getting more about versatility across the board in the roster to create matchups that the other team can't defend. Two small guards in Sexton and Garland is one end of the spectrum. Haliburton would give the ability to give different looks with a 6'5 and above lineup. When he fills out he might be able to go into a switch everything lineup. Sexton and Haliburton together could be a tradition lineup with some shared or flipped duties between them.

LeMelo would be ideal fit for this roster but we will most likely not get a chance to draft him. Deni would also be a nice addition and I would take him over Haliburton. At #5 Haliburton might be most talented player left and if we want a SF we will have to reach to the tier below. I could also see Toppin being the most talented player left and same decision will have to be made. I personally think it would be easier to fit Haliburton in over Toppin.

I just don't see the logic of drafting another PG while keeping both Garland and Sexton. All three players need as much time as possible to develop their skills to run an NBA offense.
 
I am not high on Williams. I think he can be a good role player and will prob be a good defender. He just doesn't have the feel for the game I am looking for.

It's a high risk, high reward pick. Williams defends well and I know Nathan loves free throw percentage as a precursor to shooting potential. Williams made 83% of his free throws, and combined with his Corey Maggette type physique he could hit a similar ceiling.

The problem is just a lack of actual efficiency and production at the college level. Can he overcome it because he was so young during the season? I just don't like those types of gambles.

And as I mentioned earlier, I'm not thrilled with Oubre. He scored a lot in Phoenix, but he is still nothing special in other aspects of basketball. There's a reason he has been passed around a few franchises.
 
A Knicks blog just put out a mock draft where the Cavs trade #5 and I assume some combo of Exum and flotsom. We receive the #10, Kelly Oubre, and a 2022 second rounder from Phoenix.


The irony of a Knicks blog calling the Cavs "relatable losers" should not be lost.

I like Tsunami Papi a lot, mostly for the attitude he plays with, the highlight reel defensive plays and because he makes me question my heterosexuality, but apparently most fans say his IQ and decision making is really infuriating.

I was reading posts from Sun's fans like he would make 1 massive block, hype everyone up but then get two quick fouls and leave the game; that he misses a lot of rotations and you can easily get him lost; that he plays selfishly on offense and doesn't playmake.

This and his lack of strength (though the ridiculous length is great) makes me kind of hesitant in thinking he would be a good piece next to our ball dominant, defensively questionable young guards. An upgrade for sure, but is he the one we should target?

He's kind of like all the SFs in the draft, mostly really nice tools but one of two area of severe weakness. You start to really like him, and then there comes the big but...

I don't know. I haven't watched him a lot besides highlights. I get the notion we would love those on our team, but all the in between plays which are not shown in the highlight package would drive us mad and potentially lose us games.

In sports I think 'feel for the game' or 'whichever sport iq' just don't suddenly materialize in those who have shown struggles with it.

What do you guys think of Tsunami Papi? Besides his completely freaking enviable genetics.
 
A Knicks blog just put out a mock draft where the Cavs trade #5 and I assume some combo of Exum and flotsom. We receive the #10, Kelly Oubre, and a 2022 second rounder from Phoenix.


The irony of a Knicks blog calling the Cavs "relatable losers" should not be lost.

In theory I like it. My biggest issue with trading for Oubre is that he’s a UFA at the end of the year. Unless he comes with an extension, I don’t really want him for this reason. There will be a lot of teams with money in 2021, and many of them will be looking for a guy exactly like Oubre. Trading a top 5 pick for a guy you don’t have control over past this season is a bit sketchy at best and has a good chance to be disastrous should he leave and the pick flops.

I’d be more inclined to talk to NO. Lonzo would be a great fit next to Sexton and is still 22. I’d also love to find a way to get our hands on Hayes. Not sure they’d be willing to trade either.

Ball
Miller
Hayes
#13

For

Drummond
Garland
#5

While this means NO won’t have room to sign a significant FA this offseason, it possibly makes them a more competitive team, gives them a PG to develop, and doesn’t negatively impact their FA position in 2021. We could throw in picks if needed, but I think this is pretty fair.

The bonus for the Cavs is that they free up a good amount of cap room. Also, Miller’s contract is non-guaranteed, so they can waive him and add another $7 mill in cap room or use him in a trade. Cavs would come out of this with about $24 mill in cap space and this roster:

That being said, I’m not sure who NO would be targeting at #5. Probably Hayes, Okoro, or Deni. They potentially could move up further to get Edwards or Wiseman

PG: Ball, Exum
SG: Sexton, KPJ, Windler
SF: , Cedi
PF: Love, Grant
C: Hayes, Nance
 
I just don't see the logic of drafting another PG while keeping both Garland and Sexton. All three players need as much time as possible to develop their skills to run an NBA offense.

I don't think the Cavs view Sexton as a PG at all. They don't seem committed to developing him as a PG. They have had their chances to let him run the offense and to take their lumps to really grow him. They have chosen to pair him with another PG almost at every step of the way and take the ball out of his hands.

I believe in Sexton but I don't think he has the natural vision to grow into a PG without a long ugly stretch of learning or a strategically built playbook for him and whoever he is on the court with to play off of. The Cavs seem to be committed to neither so I will just assume he is a SG in their eyes.

With all that said about Sexton, another PG can co-exist and get minutes with Garland. For Garlands growth, I don't think he needs the ball in his hands all the time and be 100% a PG. He will need to learn to play off the ball better. Giving him a PG that can defend SGs and already plays off the ball well, will help him grow. I think Haliburton is the guy for both Sexton and Garland to share the backcourt with. While I think drafting LeMelo makes the rotations way easier if you take into account Garland, Sexton, and KPJ, we just probably won't have the chance to draft LeMelo.
 
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I don't think the Cavs view Sexton as a PG at all. They don't seem committed to developing him as a PG. They have had their chances to let him run the offense and to take their lumps to really grow him. They have chosen to pair him with another PG almost at every step of the way and take the ball out of his hands.

I believe in Sexton but I don't think he has the natural vision to grow into a PG without a long ugly stretch of learning or a strategically built playbook for him and whoever he is on the court with to play off of. The Cavs seem to be committed to neither so I will just assume he is a SG in their eyes.

With all that said about Sexton, another PG can co-exist and get minutes with Garland. For Garlands growth, I don't think he needs the ball in his hands all the time and be 100% a PG. He will need to learn to play off the ball better. Giving him a PG that can defend SGs and already plays off the ball well, will help him grow. I think Haliburton is the guy for both Sexton and Garland to share the backcourt with. While I think drafting LeMelo makes the rotations way easier if you take into account Garland, Sexton, and KPJ, we just probably won't have the chance to draft LeMelo.

This is pretty much the reason why I’ve though targeting someone like Lonzo would be a good idea. He’s be able to play either guard position and work well with Garland or Sexton. Not sure what it’s take to get him it he’s an RFA next year, and if NO wants to maintain cap flexibility or just don’t want to commit big money to him, then they might look to move him this offseason.
 
What’s the chance the Cavs may a play for Oladipo? It’s pretty well known that Gilbert preferred Oladipo in the draft. I‘d have to think Indy would be motivated to move him. I would assume he could be had for pretty cheap given his contract situation. I know he’s probably not going to be that happy in Cleveland, but even still I might roll the dice if the price was good. Even though it’s possible he leaves at the end of the year, if you can acquire him without trading Nance, Love, Sexton, or #5, it might be worth a shot.

Who says no?

Drummond
Cedi
Exum

For

Oladipo
Turner
Leaf

Would chip in some 2nds if needed or even the MIL pick.

For Indy to do this, they would basically have to believe they can/will be a player in FA next year. Indy remains competitive with Drummond, but by moving Turner they potentially could go into 2021 FA with Brogdan, Sabonis, Lamb, Warren, and Cedi under contract and $40-$45 mill in cap room. Given Brogdan’s relationship with Giannis, it could be an intriguing option for him If you slide Sabonis to C.

Cavs take a chance with Oladipo but get a long-term solution at C in Turner, who happens to fit extremely well with Love and Nance. In the draft you take either Okoro, Ball, Vassell or Haliburton. Okoro would seem to be the obvious guy if he‘s there.

PG: Sexton, Garland
SG: Oladipo, Windler
SF: Okoro, KPJ
PF: Love, Nance, Leaf
C: Turner, Nance

Would then look to sign a vet PG and probably a guy that’s a 3/4 type player. Since Drummond could potentially walk as well, I would just look at it as two separate trades to a degree: Oladipo for Drummond and Cedi and Exum for Turner and Leaf. Even if Oladipo leaves, they‘d have around $20-$25 mill or so to find a replacement in free agency.
 
What’s the chance the Cavs may a play for Oladipo? It’s pretty well known that Gilbert preferred Oladipo in the draft. I‘d have to think Indy would be motivated to move him. I would assume he could be had for pretty cheap given his contract situation. I know he’s probably not going to be that happy in Cleveland, but even still I might roll the dice if the price was good. Even though it’s possible he leaves at the end of the year, if you can acquire him without trading Nance, Love, Sexton, or #5, it might be worth a shot.

Who says no?

Drummond
Cedi
Exum

For

Oladipo
Turner
Leaf

Would chip in some 2nds if needed or even the MIL pick.

For Indy to do this, they would basically have to believe they can/will be a player in FA next year. Indy remains competitive with Drummond, but by moving Turner they potentially could go into 2021 FA with Brogdan, Sabonis, Lamb, Warren, and Cedi under contract and $40-$45 mill in cap room. Given Brogdan’s relationship with Giannis, it could be an intriguing option for him If you slide Sabonis to C.

Cavs take a chance with Oladipo but get a long-term solution at C in Turner, who happens to fit extremely well with Love and Nance. In the draft you take either Okoro, Ball, Vassell or Haliburton. Okoro would seem to be the obvious guy if he‘s there.

PG: Sexton, Garland
SG: Oladipo, Windler
SF: Okoro, KPJ
PF: Love, Nance, Leaf
C: Turner, Nance

Would then look to sign a vet PG and probably a guy that’s a 3/4 type player. Since Drummond could potentially walk as well, I would just look at it as two separate trades to a degree: Oladipo for Drummond and Cedi and Exum for Turner and Leaf. Even if Oladipo leaves, they‘d have around $20-$25 mill or so to find a replacement in free agency.


I was thinking about Turner as well. Hed be a really good fit. But I think he has more value than Cedi + Exum.
 
I was thinking about Turner as well. Hed be a really good fit. But I think he has more value than Cedi + Exum.

I generally agree, but if we wanted to try and sweeten it we could swap Exum or Garland or add in something like our 2021 1st, lotto protected in 2021 & 2022 and maybe top 10 protected in 2023. This trade should make us a playoff team IMO so Indy would get the pick. If the team tanks either because guys got injured or Oladipo causes problems we keep the pick next year but probably turn it over the following year.

If Oladipo leaves, you have cap to replace him, or (ideally) we potentially already have his replacement in KPJ or Windler.
 
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I’d be interested to see what the price tag would be on Otto Porter Jr...

Not sure if he’s in their long-term plans but I’d explore sending Drummond to 3rd team for assets to send to Chicago...

Have to think OPJ would be more cost affordable than Drummond long-term and fills a bigger need..
 
If I'm the Cavs, I trade down with NY for picks #8 & #27. Select Achiuwa 8th & Azubuike 27th. Then, buy a second round pick & select Ashton Hagans.

Then:

Cleveland gets: O.G. Anunoby & Norman Powell

Toronto gets: Darius Garland, Dante Exum & '22 Bucks pick

Why? Cleveland adds a starting calliber wing to their lineup. Toronto adds a potential pg of the future with mentorship from Lowry & they maximize their '21 cap flexibility in the process while acquiring a pick in a deep draft class as well.

PG: Collin Sexton / Ashton Hagans
SG: Kevin Porter Jr. / Norman Powell
SF: O.G. Anunoby / Cedi Osman / Dylan Windler
PF: Kevin Love / Precious Achiuwa / Larry Nance Jr. / Alfonso Mckinnie
C: Andre Drummond / Udoka Azubuike
Coach: J.B. Bickerstaff

Achiuwa & Azubuike is your frontcourt of the future. Let Drummond walk at the end of next year or trade him for assets. Kevin Love would be on a bench role for the '21-'22 season & beyond.
 
I was thinking about Turner as well. Hed be a really good fit. But I think he has more value than Cedi + Exum.
There could be a deal to be made with Boston & Indiana:

BOS acquires: Drummond & Osman

CLE acquires: Turner, Lamb, McDermott, & #14 pick

IND acquires: Hayward & R. Williams
 
building on @sailfish trade idea from another thread.

Trade 1:
CLE acquires: Oubre, Rubio, & #10 pick
PHX acquires: Love & Garland

Logic for CLE: Gets a strong asset that can be used for a good prospect or for other trade packages (pick). Clears young logjam at PG (they aren't playable together). Gets young wing player in Oubre who is under contract two more years and is an improvement at a position of weakness. Favor to Love. Gets closer to Cali. Suns looked ready to compete in bubble. Rubio is playable with Sexton and the other guards.

Logic for PHX: SPACING and championship pedigree. Love gets to play PF and hang out at the 3 PT line. Ayton gets space to work at center. Garland is a young cost controlled PG with top 5 pick pedigree. Ended the season with strong shooting numbers. Garland-Booker-Love-Ayton can fill it up and rebound.

Trade 2:

CLE acquires: #2 pick, Wiggins
GS acquires: Drummond, #10 pick

Logic for CLE: Gets another top 5 pick. Drummond is a short timer either way.

Logic for GS: Rids themselves of Wiggins contract, which is WOAT. Gets a large expiring contract who will actually contribute. Hurts to trade the #2 pick, but the sting goes away with the #10 coming back. Realistically, Drummond does more for them at C this coming season than Wiseman does as a rookie.

Cleveland has #2 and #5 picks.

PG: Sexton, Rubio, Exum
SG: KPJ, Windler, Osman
SF: Oubre, Wiggins
PF: Nance, TT (FA)
C:

Lot of options here. TT can be brought back as a rotation big. Seems like a good decision given the roster composition.

Plus two top 5 picks. Wiseman, Okoro, both? Deni? Okongwu? all are options!

Having Wiggins on the payroll sucks horribly but Dan just joined the inner circle illuminati rich. We have to use this to our advantage to get assets.
 
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