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The Cavs only make this deal if they are confident Wiseman is the next Anthony Davis. I can't stress enough how bad Andrew Wiggins is on defense, and how awful his contract is going to be long-term.

This deal was in direct response to the question: "What does everyone realistically think it would take to move from #5 to #2 if the warriors are looking to move down?

Is Garland and #5 too much to pay for #2? Would #5 and the 2022 Bucks 1st round pick be enough? Would we have to add a player like Cedi to that?" by @inliner311. I'm not saying its a fantastic deal, or likely, but that would get the Cavaliers to #2. I do, however, think Wiseman could be Admiral 2.0, though.
 
Honestly with all the probable busts that are going to be in the top 20 a top end role player this year is a very successful draft. I have read several accounts about scouts that Keep saying may be is the weakest Draft in a decade or more. If you think a player can be a solid player for your franchise and fills a need you take them this year and hope for the best. It is not crazy to think this draft may only produce one all star , and then a few solid starters, some rotational bench guys, then a boatload of guys that are going to be at the end of the bench that end up playing in Europe. With that being said there is probably bound to be one guy out of the top 10 that ends up being way better then expected and out performs guys drafted a head of them by a wide margin. Hence the guy from USC has every right to go in the top 5 this years

I agree...also think he may be much more than "solid" especially on D. He has the potential to be the best defensive player on a contender. That would be worth a top-5 pick, even if he's just adequate on offense.
 
What? No...there's no evidence that those guys can play PG. In the cases of Sexton and Exum, there's actually a lot of evidence to the contrary, where teams tried unsuccessfully to play them at PG!

We're coming off a season where we had the worst assist:TO numbers in the league, and we're probably not bringing back our best player in that area (Delly). It would be suicidal to go into this season without adding a PG, whether by draft or trade or FA.
There is a lot of evidence Exum can play pg just as good as he can play SG.. Sexton has also spent time there less than ideal but he can play there, he certainly can’t play SF
 
So...what do they view Sexton as? I'm not trying to argue, just trying to understand the internal logic the Cavs are working with. Are they benching him in favor of KPJ? Moving him back to PG? Something else I haven't thought of?
My guess is both sg/pg... Porter and sexton the guards. Sexton defends the weaker guard and plays off the ball on offense with Porter running the show and guarding the better opposing guard
 
There is a lot of evidence Exum can play pg just as good as he can play SG.. Sexton has also spent time there less than ideal but he can play there, he certainly can’t play SF

My guess is both sg/pg... Porter and sexton the guards. Sexton defends the weaker guard and plays off the ball on offense with Porter running the show and guarding the better opposing guard

I mean, theoretically you can play anyone at PG I guess, but player development is really rough when the PG has subpar court vision. Like, as the coach, you can tell players to be active off the ball and make smart cuts. But if the ball never finds them, they're eventually going to give up and just stand around. We've seen plenty of that the last couple years.

Same deal with having no rim protector. A coach can teach players to guide the ball towards the help, but when the help never comes or is totally ineffective, that lesson isn't gonna stick. It sucks.
 
I mean, theoretically you can play anyone at PG I guess, but player development is really rough when the PG has subpar court vision. Like, as the coach, you can tell players to be active off the ball and make smart cuts. But if the ball never finds them, they're eventually going to give up and just stand around. We've seen plenty of that the last couple years.

Same deal with having no rim protector. A coach can teach players to guide the ball towards the help, but when the help never comes or is totally ineffective, that lesson isn't gonna stick. It sucks.

Do you feel like Jamal Murray has developed enough to be a PG on several different iterations of a good team or do you think Denver only gets away with him as PG because of Jokics passing and playmaking ability?
 
Here's how the Cavs should adress this draft:

Trade 5th pick & Jordan Bell to the Knicks for 8th, 27th & Mitchell Robinson.

Trade 8th pick to Boston for 14th, 26th & 30th.

14th pick: PF Precious Achiuwa
26th pick: SF Jaden McDaniels
27th pick: SG Immanuel Quickley
30th pick: C Udoka Azubuike

Why? I think Precious will be the next Pascal Siakam. They share so many similarities. I'm really high on him. Jaden McDaniels is a good all around player with great height for the 3. Quickley is a combo guard that we could use off our bench & finally, Azubuike is a project with immense upside.

Then, if Drummond accepts his player option, immediately trade him for the best offer. Subsequently, waive Kevin Love. I think he makes too much money & I want the focus to be on the development of Achiuwa & our other new bigs.

PG: Collin Sexton / Darius Garland / Dante Exum
SG: Kevin Porter Jr. / Immanuel Quickley
SF: Jaden McDaniels / Cedi Osman / Dylan Windler
PF: Precious Achiuwa / Larry Nance Jr. / Alfonso McKinnie
C: Mitchell Robinson / Udoka Azubuike
Coach: J.B. Bickerstaff
 
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Do you feel like Jamal Murray has developed enough to be a PG on several different iterations of a good team or do you think Denver only gets away with him as PG because of Jokics passing and playmaking ability?

I think they'd be okay with Murray at PG and a "typical" roster, but definitely think Jokic is the X-factor that makes them great. No way would they be #1 in assist rate (with the 9th-lowest turnover rate!) if not for Jokic. Having him lets Murray play as a scoring guard, which is his optimal role. Worth noting that he has a real SG physique, more similar to Anthony Edwards than to either Sexton or Garland. That helps a lot.
 
Here's how the Cavs should adress this draft:

Trade 5th pick & Jordan Bell to the Knicks for 8th, 27th & Mitchell Robinson.

Trade 8th pick to Boston for 14th, 26th & 30th.

14th pick: PF Precious Achiuwa
26th pick: SF Jaden McDaniels
27th pick: SG Immanuel Quickley
30th pick: C Udoka Azubuike

Why? I think Precious will be the next Pascal Siakam. They share so many similarities. I'm really high on him. Jaden McDaniels is a good all around player with great height for the 3. Quickley is a combo guard that we could use off our bench & finally, Azubuike is a project with immense upside.

Then, if Drummond accepts his player option, immediately trade him for the best offer. Subsequently, waive Kevin Love. I think he makes too much money & I want the focus to be on the development of Achiuwa & our other new bigs.

PG: Collin Sexton / Darius Garland / Dante Exum
SG: Kevin Porter Jr. / Immanuel Quickley
SF: Jaden McDaniels / Cedi Osman / Dylan Windler
PF: Precious Achiuwa / Larry Nance Jr. / Alfonso McKinnie
C: Mitchell Robinson / Udoka Azubuike
Coach: J.B. Bickerstaff

The Cavaliers are *not* going to add 4 more rookies this year.
 
I think they'd be okay with Murray at PG and a "typical" roster, but definitely think Jokic is the X-factor that makes them great. No way would they be #1 in assist rate (with the 9th-lowest turnover rate!) if not for Jokic. Having him lets Murray play as a scoring guard, which is his optimal role. Worth noting that he has a real SG physique, more similar to Anthony Edwards than to either Sexton or Garland. That helps a lot.

Thanks. Basically asked because of the comparison of Murray’s and Sexton’s respective 2nd seasons. I still think Colin is smart enough, talented enough, and hard working enough to become a legit PG for us as he continues his NBA journey. Not saying I think it’s the most probable outcome but I also don’t think it’s far fetched, regardless of what his year 1 and 2 numbers suggest.
 
Thanks. Basically asked because of the comparison of Murray’s and Sexton’s respective 2nd seasons. I still think Colin is smart enough, talented enough, and hard working enough to become a legit PG for us as he continues his NBA journey. Not saying I think it’s the most probable outcome but I also don’t think it’s far fetched, regardless of what his year 1 and 2 numbers suggest.

I do think he's extremely talented, but mainly as a scorer. That's not necessarily a knock...same could be said for Curry, who's arguably the best offensive guard we've seen in the modern game. Helps a ton to have a big who can pass, though, like Jokic (or Green in his prime) who can free Curry or Murray or whoever of some of the playmaking responsibilities that guards typically have to shoulder.
 
Here's how the Cavs should adress this draft:

Trade 5th pick & Jordan Bell to the Knicks for 8th, 27th & Mitchell Robinson.

Trade 8th pick to Boston for 14th, 26th & 30th.

14th pick: PF Precious Achiuwa
26th pick: SF Jaden McDaniels
27th pick: SG Immanuel Quickley
30th pick: C Udoka Azubuike

Why? I think Precious will be the next Pascal Siakam. They share so many similarities. I'm really high on him. Jaden McDaniels is a good all around player with great height for the 3. Quickley is a combo guard that we could use off our bench & finally, Azubuike is a project with immense upside.

Then, if Drummond accepts his player option, immediately trade him for the best offer. Subsequently, waive Kevin Love. I think he makes too much money & I want the focus to be on the development of Achiuwa & our other new bigs.

PG: Collin Sexton / Darius Garland / Dante Exum
SG: Kevin Porter Jr. / Immanuel Quickley
SF: Jaden McDaniels / Cedi Osman / Dylan Windler
PF: Precious Achiuwa / Larry Nance Jr. / Alfonso McKinnie
C: Mitchell Robinson / Udoka Azubuike
Coach: J.B. Bickerstaff
I will give you high points on creativity. But I don’t see any of this as a realistic scenario .
 
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Such an interesting topic where they discussed that the sweet spot in the draft is in the 10-15 range.

With a weak draft, maybe the cavs can trade down and take a close look at Williams, Bey, Green and Mcdaniels.
 
After reading many of the posts here as I understand the cavs are going to draft a center or a pf or a sf or a pg or a sg and they will trade up or trade down or trade out of the draft for an experienced player. We will all just wait for the draft and hope the cavs don't screw this up.
 
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I mean, theoretically you can play anyone at PG I guess, but player development is really rough when the PG has subpar court vision. Like, as the coach, you can tell players to be active off the ball and make smart cuts. But if the ball never finds them, they're eventually going to give up and just stand around. We've seen plenty of that the last couple years.

Same deal with having no rim protector. A coach can teach players to guide the ball towards the help, but when the help never comes or is totally ineffective, that lesson isn't gonna stick. It sucks.
I think it's getting a bit muddied between a playmaker and a point guard in all honesty, when I list players I list them at the positions they can defend because I feel its the easiest way to make a viable line up on court and it comes with the assumption there is generally a lead player on offense at pg/sg/sf. For example I guess technically LeBron is the lakers pg in their starting lineup but the guards are Green/KCP and Kawhi is technically the pg for the Clippers as all Beverly really does is defend but I would list KCP/Beverly as the pg's for those teams.

I think the cavs view Porter as the playmaker on the team so to draft a point guard when Sexton defends that position (or the weaker guard if the point guard is a star) with Porter on the court is not something they're looking to do and doesn't fit, however a player like Avdija who also has playmaking skills but the size to defend 3's is ideal. From what I am reading is theyre very much 'all in' on Porter which is fairly in line with my views on the team make up/direction/needs
 

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