I would need a lot to trade garland, I do not doubt his talent, I do doubt his durability Time will tell
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I would do either of those trades in a heartbeat because although he has a chance to become a really good pg , pg's that have the chance to become really good are easier to find than SF sized point forwards that play defense( Barnes), or Olympian level freakish athletes with Kawhi upside(Kuminga) but need developed and have no job on a contender.
I get the idea it would be foolish to trade Garland if the true feeling is he will take giant leap and become elite. I don't think the feeling is quite that optimistic in reality here in CLE and if somebody is willing to give up hard to find archetype players you pull the trigger if you are not as optimistic even if he burns you for years to come if the players you got become something elite as well.
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I don't think they move Darius unless it's in a deal that gets a high level starter under contract with some years left who plays the 3 along with a stop-gap-level PG.
Cavs aren't looking to add more unscratched scratch-off tickets for one of their top 3 to 4 assets.
Would you trade Garland/Cedi (filler like Brodric. Wade and Kabengele) to the Spurs for Vassel and White? Add shooting, White has 4 years left on his deal, Vassel is a legit 3-D prospect. Problem is White is only a solid player and is more a 2 than a 1 but he has the right size to pair with Collin, and Vassel is unproven. Maybe it's Dejounte Murray instead of White, but then you have some shooting issues, maybe you try and include Primo? DOn't know that the Spurs have a trade to be had here.. but that's the kind of framework: proven young-ish player under contract and another player that fits need/timeline.
Anyway, Garland to GS makes no sense for GS, Garland to Toronto for Barnes, no thanks (maybe for OG, but Toronto doesn't do it).
Cavs aren't looking to add more unscratched scratch-off tickets for one of their top 3 to 4 assets.
Would you trade Garland/Cedi (filler like Brodric. Wade and Kabengele) to the Spurs for Vassel and White? Add shooting, White has 4 years left on his deal, Vassel is a legit 3-D prospect. Problem is White is only a solid player and is more a 2 than a 1 but he has the right size to pair with Collin, and Vassel is unproven. Maybe it's Dejounte Murray instead of White, but then you have some shooting issues, maybe you try and include Primo? DOn't know that the Spurs have a trade to be had here.. but that's the kind of framework: proven young-ish player under contract and another player that fits need/timeline.
Anyway, Garland to GS makes no sense for GS, Garland to Toronto for Barnes, no thanks (maybe for OG, but Toronto doesn't do it).
Steph is 33 so if you don't think Garland who Steph is fond of as reaching star level guard play could not be seen as the heir apparent to him and help them in these last few seasons before that run is over I don't know what to tell you.
Garland and Wade for Kuminga and Moody is the perfect trade for both rosters.
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no, I don't Lacob and co see it that way. GS is playing for 1 more title. They aren't looking to hedge bets on Stephs future.
I don't see it that way as Kuminga and Moody sure as hell are not going to be factors in any championship this season but Garland could be and Wade could be, not too mention if it is true Steph is high on Garland's ability going forward there is every reason to believe he might actually want them to trade for him because Klay is still not 100% and they need better 2nd or 3rd creator guard play asap.
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for that matter: Kuminga and Moody don't help the Cavs win now either, and the Cavs are closer to "win now" in action than "acquire assets" mode. Bad deal for both teams.
Cavs have basically said that Garland and Mobley are nearly untouchable, if I were Altman I'd add Okoro to that list and try and compliment those 3 accordingly.
lol of course you would go with that. The Cavs have not in fact made any such statements that I am aware of and it is more likely speculative at best assumptions by fans of any players who have been regarded as having high ceilings that don't need to get paid soon smh. I mean sure that is what the fan articles all like to claim usually but the newest is there are no untouchables so take your pick who you want to believe I guess.
The Cavs would be better short term and long term adding Moody who can defend any sg or sf and is already a solid floor spacer which they need terribly then you add the on ball upside of Kuminga who can defend 2-4 and pass and there is no argument to be made the Cavs are not better having to find a upgrade at the pg position instead of the continuing struggle to find legit upside wings . They would be better off moving Garland in this type of deal than they would be with Garland holding them hostage as if he has that type of value but will be because they will have to pay him or Klutch will threaten his departure etc.
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you could trade a verifiably good NBA player (Garland) for two guys who may or may not end up being good NBA players (Moody/Kuminga) because
1. if Darius is good he will push his way out and/or
2. PG is "easier" to find than wings (huh?)
Finding top end talent is hard in the NBA. Garland looks like he has that. He has ++ handles, + shooting (possibly better), ++ court vision, paired with good hoops IQ. You should always be careful moving a guy who has that much talent, and if you do, make sure you get a player who you know can actually play, not more scratch tickets you sold yourself on after watching youtube-hype videos all offseason.
Lame.
1. if Darius is good he will push his way out and/or
2. PG is "easier" to find than wings (huh?)
Finding top end talent is hard in the NBA. Garland looks like he has that. He has ++ handles, + shooting (possibly better), ++ court vision, paired with good hoops IQ. You should always be careful moving a guy who has that much talent, and if you do, make sure you get a player who you know can actually play, not more scratch tickets you sold yourself on after watching youtube-hype videos all offseason.
Lame.
Point guards are easy to get hell Pangos is more than capable of handling the job if Darius gets hurt.I am not even sure Garland is ever going to be more than Teague.
I really think if there is any team willing to give up a 5 star recently drafted sf let alone and a 5 star sg for him then you don't have any choice but to pull the trigger. Who cares about what he might become or how the player(s) coming back need development. They both possess skills that ensure the bust factor is minimal on both even if one is less than hoped the other will be good etc.It is more difficult to find lottery level wings and 3/4 types without drafting them than it is to find guards like Garland.
Garland is better than he was headed towards after this first season but the amount of projections I read about him becoming this all star level guard seem really irrational.
I really think if there is any team willing to give up a 5 star recently drafted sf let alone and a 5 star sg for him then you don't have any choice but to pull the trigger. Who cares about what he might become or how the player(s) coming back need development. They both possess skills that ensure the bust factor is minimal on both even if one is less than hoped the other will be good etc.It is more difficult to find lottery level wings and 3/4 types without drafting them than it is to find guards like Garland.
Garland is better than he was headed towards after this first season but the amount of projections I read about him becoming this all star level guard seem really irrational.
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Garland looks poised to roll through 2021/22 with 16 PPG/7 AST with .439/.400/.839 splits. That's not an awful mid-floor projection, and it's worth more than scratch tickets.
Now, Toronto calls with OG as the offer, yeah, let's see what Rubio and Pangos can do as a stop gap.
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I think a lot of posters understand what a rookie season looks like for a player of Mobley's profile. Good, but not dominant numbers for all sorts of comparisons like Bosh, AD, KG, etc. I think a lot of people also think it is going to take Mobley a while to adjust to the all around size and strength of the NBA before he gets fully comfortable and starts to flash regularly his potential ceiling.
So I get why people would be excited for what they hope is a leap from someone like Garland or Okoro, who have already experienced 70-90 NBA games and could potentially make a big leap. I'm especially hopeful for Garland to really elevate in night in and night out excellence.
Call me overly optimistic but I bet by December both Detroit and Houston are looking really dumb passing on Mobley at 1 or 2. I mean there is certainly a strong possibility if Bickerstaff tries to put him in line ups where he is the 5 that it will not be pretty for him, but if the coaches recognize the value he brings playing the 3 not just the 4 as a rookie next to Markkanen and Allen
Especially with line ups where an improved shooting Okoro can start with Sexton as the 6th man or if not then Okoro off the bench or starting at the 3 when Mobley has a line up where he can match up against a 4 easy.
I think his playmaking and defense as a mobile athlete who looks like a guard sometimes except the high dribble being open to tightening and the need to get stronger to work in the low post along with his hidden mostly in college shooting and spacing skill on display all summer will immediately make him considered the best player from this draft by a mile.
Except for maybe that crazy slept on kid Cooper that went to the Hawks at 48th overall. PG's are so easy to get now
I get the optimism about Garland but I hate the scratch off take. Both of them are just as highly recruited and both have a higher ceiling esp Kuminga than Garland has. The OG thing I hope is a joke smh no mid range game not a playmaker not a leader ok shooter already overpaid. C'mon man
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Optimistic with having rubio play with garland, okoro, sexton and mobley. A veteran pg that makes everybody better. He will make everything easy on offense with his play making and cover up defensive defeciencies of sexton and garland. I would love to see a line up of rubio, garland, sexton, markannen and mobley at some point.