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One of these teams will play for a national title:

Gonzaga (no titles)
Xavier (no titles)
Baylor (no titles)
South Carolina (no titles)
Wisconsin (1 title)
Florida (2 titles)

Only Wisconsin, Florida and Baylor have made a final four.

And one of THESE teams will play for a title:

Kansas (3 titles)
UCLA (11 titles)
Kentucky (8 titles)
Oregon (1 title)
Butler
North Carolina (5 titles)

Every team in the second group has been to the final four (though to be fair, Oregon hasn't been since 1939).


Never really been on the side of reseeding after the second round, but this may be an argument for it.
 

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Nice that either Gonzaga or Xavier will be in the Final Four. Both great programs that have risen out of mid-major obscurity, and neither have made it to the final weekend.
 

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One of these teams will play for a national title:

Gonzaga (no titles)
Xavier (no titles)
Baylor (no titles)
South Carolina (no titles)
Wisconsin (1 title)
Florida (2 titles)

Only Wisconsin, Florida and Baylor have made a final four.

And one of THESE teams will play for a title:

Kansas (3 titles)
UCLA (11 titles)
Kentucky (8 titles)
Oregon (1 title)
Butler
North Carolina (5 titles)

Every team in the second group has been to the final four (though to be fair, Oregon hasn't been since 1939).


Never really been on the side of reseeding after the second round, but this may be an argument for it.

What's the argument for it?
 

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What's the argument for it?

Personally, I think it's a weak argument, but basically to even things out to give the better teams a more likely shot at the final four. For example, in the Baylor region where both Nova and Duke lost, a reseed probably splits up unc/ucla/Kentucky giving all or two of those teams a shot at the final four, whereas now only one of them will and you'll be looking at one of baylor, Wisconsin, Florida or south Carolina making it.
 

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Personally, I think it's a weak argument, but basically to even things out to give the better teams a more likely shot at the final four. For example, in the Baylor region where both Nova and Duke lost, a reseed probably splits up unc/ucla/Kentucky giving all or two of those teams a shot at the final four, whereas now only one of them will and you'll be looking at one of baylor, Wisconsin, Florida or south Carolina making it.
That's because it's not even a weak argument. It's simply powerhouse schools and their fan bases whining about having a "tougher road" to get to the Final Four since the better schools in their part of the bracket weren't upset in earlier rounds.
 

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How dare these schools who have never been there before take away at least one spot that rightfully belongs to a powerhouse school with multiple titles!!!

Hey man, as a mid-major guy myself, I love it when they crash the party.

As a basketball fan.... I want to see the best teams. Sometimes those two overlap. Most of the time they don't.

Also, let's not pretend like it would be screwing the little guy here. No mid-majors made the sweet sixteen. Xavier is an underdog in seed only. This is a school that's been to six sweet sixteens in 8 years, plays in a power conference that had seven teams make it to the tourney, and was a top-15 team before their pg went out.

In fact, if we want to talk schools with no tradition as underdogs then we're talking about... South Carolina. From the SEC.
 

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That's because it's not even a weak argument. It's simply powerhouse schools and their fan bases whining about having a "tougher road" to get to the Final Four since the better schools in their part of the bracket weren't upset in earlier rounds.

I have no dog in this fight. I just find it interesting.
 

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I have no dog in this fight. I just find it interesting.
I just see it as a way for the highest ranked schools to have the easiest possible road to the Final Four, and the lower ranked schools to have the hardest possible road.
 

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I just see it as a way for the highest ranked schools to have the easiest possible road to the Final Four, and the lower ranked schools to have the hardest possible road.

Which is wrong?
 

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Which is wrong?

Kind of defeats the whole purpose of the bracket...

Never mind the fact that it would probably be a nightmare logistically for the schools.

Why mess with perfection? NCAA basketball tourney has long been the best post season in sports, and it still is.
 

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Keep it the same. If you get stuck in a bracket of death, OOPS, OH WELL, better play fucking great ball the next 4 games to make the Final Four.

And if schools want to bitch afterwards and complain about seeding, there are plenty of bubble teams and smaller schools that would have killed to be on the court and get blown out by Kentucky, UNC, Kansas, etc.. I forget which game it was, but a low seed (14+) got beat 1st round and players on the losing team were waving to the crowd, smiles on their faces...that's what it is about.

Not really sure I know what the argument is in here about it :chuckle: but just felt like posting about it. basically, there is no way the tournament should make it any easier for the "best" teams. Part of the fun/action/excitement of The Dance is having a team like Northwestern give Gonzaga a scare, or South Carolina making a deep run.

If every single year the Elite 8 consisted of the Kansas's, Duke's, UNC's, Nova's, Kentucky's, etc.. it would be so fucking boring. I say next year put all the #1 and #2 seeds in the same fucking bracket and Hunger Fucking Games it out.
 

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Do a better job with the initial seeding of 64. That's all.
 

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Personally, I think it's a weak argument, but basically to even things out to give the better teams a more likely shot at the final four. For example, in the Baylor region where both Nova and Duke lost, a reseed probably splits up unc/ucla/Kentucky giving all or two of those teams a shot at the final four, whereas now only one of them will and you'll be looking at one of baylor, Wisconsin, Florida or south Carolina making it.

So you want to essentially punish a team like Wisconsin or SC that beat a #1 or #2 seed and say "oh sorry, do it again if you want to make the next round"?

I can see the reason for wanting to see the highest seeds square off, but by reseeding you're actually increasing the possibility of not having them play. I mean, right now you're guaranteed to see Kentucky/UCLA and the winner of that game likely playing UNC.

If you reseed these teams and you have another upset occur (say Wisconsin beats UCLA or FL beats Kentucky), then you're never seeing the top teams play each other until they've all survived upset threats from lesser teams that are playing great at the moment. So I feel like you're just asking for more upsets and not accomplishing what you were going for by suggesting the reseeding occur.
 

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Do a better job with the initial seeding of 64. That's all.

Personally, and I know a lot of others who thought this, I LOVED the South region. UNC, Kentucky, UCLA, Wichita St, Cincinnati, Butler. ALL of them could have come out of there honestly. That is some damn great action. Set up a gauntlet and let's see who can get through it.

With so many "great" teams this year, there was inevitably gonna be a region with a handful of powerhouse teams. Unless college basketball starts to be like the NBA (few powerhouse teams only), this is gonna happen every year and I love it.

Everyone and their Mom said Nova/Duke had the EASIEST path ever to the Elite 8.

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I don't know how you could fix the seeding. Let's just not mess with one of the greatest sporting "events" we have right now.

Don't fuck this up NCAA.
 
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