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Players in the 80s and 90s didnt plot and scheme all through the season to all join up like this. Larry Bird wasnt figuring out ways to go join Magic Johnson the summer after the Lakers beat the Celtics. Jordan never wanted to team up with Isaiah and say Ewing to form some superteam. Yes, there were teams that were great and loaded with talent but the way they were formed wasnt anything like this.
The Warriors formed theirs almost entirely through the draft and trades, and then added KD to it. The Cavs drafted Irving and traded for Love to accompany LeBron.

The Heatles happened because of the team the Celtics had assembled. I think that point gets glossed over entirely. Boston had 4 all-stars, and LeBron and Wade said fuck it, we want to take them down.
 

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Players in the 80s and 90s didnt plot and scheme all through the season to all join up like this. Larry Bird wasnt figuring out ways to go join Magic Johnson the summer after the Lakers beat the Celtics. Jordan never wanted to team up with Isaiah and say Ewing to form some superteam. Yes, there were teams that were great and loaded with talent but the way they were formed wasnt anything like this.
You do know Karim Abdul Jabbar forced a trade to a bigger market, right?
 

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The Warriors formed theirs almost entirely through the draft and trades, and then added KD to it. The Cavs drafted Irving and traded for Love to accompany LeBron.

The Heatles happened because of the team the Celtics had assembled. I think that point gets glossed over entirely. Boston had 4 all-stars, and LeBron and Wade said fuck it, we want to take them down.
We've been over how Dell Curry Archie Manning'd his way into keeping Steph from having to be in the cold and snow in Minnesota, which affected literally everything else, so I'm not going to belabor the issue.

Boston was built basically through trades and the draft...
 

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You do know Karim Abdul Jabbar forced a trade to a bigger market, right?
For cultural reasons. He didn't join or form a superteam. In fact, the Lakers missed the playoffs the first year Kareem was on the Lakers. Other than Gail Goodrich -- who was already declining -- that team didn't have much.
 

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For cultural reasons. He didn't join or form a superteam. In fact, the Lakers missed the playoffs the first year Kareem was on the Lakers. Other than Gail Goodrich -- who was already declining -- that team didn't have much.
The point stands that the "cultural reasons" almost universally favor big markets. Indeed, Silicon Valley investment opportunities are a "cultural reason" Iggy and others have used with the Warriors, that applied even during their lean years.

It gets lost in these "LeBron started it" superteam arguments that, even though he left for LA for, indeed, "cultural reasons" at the end of his prime, his leaving Miami for Cleveland is literally a one-in-a-gazillion exception of the direction elite UFAs in their primes go, that I'm still grateful for despite everything else.
 

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The point stands that the "cultural reasons" almost universally favor big markets. Indeed, Silicon Valley investment opportunities are a "cultural reason" Iggy and others have used with the Warriors, that applied even during their lean years.

It gets lost in these "LeBron started it" superteam arguments that, even though he left for LA for, indeed, "cultural reasons" at the end of his prime, his leaving Miami for Cleveland is literally a one-in-a-gazillion exception of the direction elite UFAs in their primes go, that I'm still grateful for despite everything else.
The original point had nothing to do with "market size". The point was that players back in the day did not leave their teams to form superteams. Kareem did not join a superteam.

Miami is not one of the larger TV markets. The Bay area is -- but that's not why KD left the Thunder, he did it to take the easy path. The current player-driven use of free agency to explicitly form superteams is a very recent phenomenon. For the most part the HoF level players -- especially the better HoF players -- never left their original team. That has changed and it's messing up what competitive balance there was in the NBA.
 

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You can maybe pick one guy here or there that forced a trade back then, but when did you ever hear of a player like Lebron talking to a player like Kawhi about joining his team, while hes still playing in the Finals! It just didnt happen. Thats what i am talking about. I still dont know how thats even allowed.
 

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You can maybe pick one guy here or there that forced a trade back then, but when did you ever hear of a player like Lebron talking to a player like Kawhi about joining his team, while hes still playing in the Finals! It just didnt happen. Thats what i am talking about. I still dont know how thats even allowed.
Because the NBPA would never accept a CBA that imposed penalties on players for discussing among themselves their desire to play together, etc..
 

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You can maybe pick one guy here or there that forced a trade back then, but when did you ever hear of a player like Lebron talking to a player like Kawhi about joining his team, while hes still playing in the Finals! It just didnt happen. Thats what i am talking about. I still dont know how thats even allowed.
Players' rights, namely free agency, were much more restricted. That, coupled with technological advances, is a major reason why.
 

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The point stands that the "cultural reasons" almost universally favor big markets. Indeed, Silicon Valley investment opportunities are a "cultural reason" Iggy and others have used with the Warriors, that applied even during their lean years.

It gets lost in these "LeBron started it" superteam arguments that, even though he left for LA for, indeed, "cultural reasons" at the end of his prime, his leaving Miami for Cleveland is literally a one-in-a-gazillion exception of the direction elite UFAs in their primes go, that I'm still grateful for despite everything else.
He left Miami for Cleveland for no other reason than his own image.. to amend the cracks in his public persona for the things he said and did, publicly.

Remember that "I'm coming home" letter? Yeah, what a pile of feces, that was.

Fans can be so green.

Had he not been from the area and for the league fixing the draft to make sure they have this story of the hometown kid, Cleveland never would have known lebron in a cavs jersey.
 

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He left Miami for Cleveland for no other reason than his own image.. to amend the cracks in his public persona for the things he said and did, publicly.

Remember that "I'm coming home" letter? Yeah, what a pile of feces, that was.

...fixing the draft...
And somehow, basically no other superstar in NBA history, despite all of them having at least some focus on "image" and, often, believe or not, having to "amend cracks" in it, has made that type of market move.

The letter is still on my wall, and is not coming down soon. Even though I fully understand he hedged some of his statements and gave himself a way out on them.

The Ewing draft was probably rigged, but since then doubtful.

You're getting dunked on in the other thread too, and it should be telling you something.
 

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Lol im done with these worthless, idle arguments lol
 

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With the destruction of the Golden State Warriors (at least for the upcoming season)....

I have a feeling the forces making sure Anthony Davis is a Laker also creates another team to watch in the West: New Orleans.

If that trade for AD is indeed #4/Lonzo/BI.... well, they get to have a potentially better version of that Rondo/Jrue team.

Zion is likely their pick, then you have #4, 2 solid role players. That's a damn good reboot. Alvin Gentry is about to feast.
 
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