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2019-20 Cavaliers Regular Season Thread

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I know I'm bubbling over with enthusiasm lately, but with a lottery pick in the draft, Wiindler joining the team next year, and the glowing reports about Dean Wade in the G-League, we may be OK by next
 
soo what is happening with our 2 roster spots? Just gonna sign random g leaguers to 10 dayers for the rest of the season?

Also just projecting forward to next season..
currently have 2 roster spots
3rd spot with TT departure
4th spot with Zizic departure
5th spot with Delly departure

Not sure what Wades status is with perma spot or a 2nd year as a two-way.
So possibly 5 spots to fill via draft + Free agency + Love trade.
 
stowfan said:
I know I'm bubbling over with enthusiasm lately, but with a lottery pick in the draft, Wiindler joining the team next year, and the glowing reports about Dean Wade in the G-League, we may be OK by next
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Don't forget - no rookie head coach next year, either. And Drummond is probably on the team. But we lose Thompson. Factor in the growth of Sexton, Garland, and Porter this year along with the addition of Drummond, Windler, and the draft pick plus a bigger role for Nance and I think we'll be in playoff contention next year with JBB in charge. A lot depends on how much Windler and the draft pick can contribute as both will be playing their rookie seasons. And on Love staying healthy, of course. I'm assuming his contract will continue to be untradable next year.

We're really set up great for 2021 because Drummond and Exum's contracts will expire and free up close to $40 million which can be used to fill in any holes with starting caliber free agents.
 
ansatsusha80 said:
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Teams can't stop them from scoring and they can switch anything. It is our death lineup lol.

Really I can't believe how good the passing is with Larry at the 3 and Love at the 4. Love really isn't scoring much in that lineup, but his spacing and passing has made it work.
 
Hey guys,

So Jacob Goldstein made a new tool on his website that is "yearly PIPM by games played." It is a way cool way to examine how are young guys are developing game-to-game with one of the better single-metric advanced stats. It also addresses debates I have had with some posters - especially @Cavatt - and means that I was wrong. So cheers, Cavatt, you were definitely right on this one. Below I will summarize/copy-paste my Twitter thread.


So the first Tweet looks at Sexton. His low-point came around game forty last season where he was a -2.5 on offense and -3.5 on defense. Since, his offense has improved to nearly net-neutral while his defense has stayed the same. he has made dramatic improvements on offense. The next step is going to find a way to not be such a black hole on defense. If he continues to play with Garland, however, I’m just not how sure that is because Sexton continues to defend the bigger guard.


Next, Garland. His low point came around the 23rd game where he was a -2.4 of offense and a -2.7 on defense. He has actually really improved since! He is now a -1.3 on offense and a -1.7 on defense. It is clear that the kid has improved from abysmal to "not great." He is never going to have the size to be a positive defender, which is why he really needs to improve his offense. That’s the key improvement I’ll be looking for during the rest of the year.


Finally, KPJ. His lowest point came around his 20th game where he was a -1.3 on defense and a -3.0 on offense. Since then, he has become a positive(!) on defense at +.1 and a -2.2 on offense. I think it’s clear that KPJ’s defense was underrated coming into the NBA. He actually projects to become really good on that end. The big question is if he can become more efficient offensively. He’s not an efficient shooter yet, has a poor A2TO ratio, and weird form. But yeah, Cavatt was right on this one, he has really become a nice defender and that bodes well for his NBA future.
 
jking948 said:
Hey guys,

So Jacob Goldstein made a new tool on his website that is "yearly PIPM by games played." It is a way cool way to examine how are young guys are developing game-to-game with one of the better single-metric advanced stats. It also addresses debates I have had with some posters - especially @Cavatt - and means that I was wrong. So cheers, Cavatt, you were definitely right on this one. Below I will summarize/copy-paste my Twitter thread.


So the first Tweet looks at Sexton. His low-point came around game forty last season where he was a -2.5 on offense and -3.5 on defense. Since, his offense has improved to nearly net-neutral while his defense has stayed the same. he has made dramatic improvements on offense. The next step is going to find a way to not be such a black hole on defense. If he continues to play with Garland, however, I’m just not how sure that is because Sexton continues to defend the bigger guard.


Next, Garland. His low point came around the 23rd game where he was a -2.4 of offense and a -2.7 on defense. He has actually really improved since! He is now a -1.3 on offense and a -1.7 on defense. It is clear that the kid has improved from abysmal to "not great." He is never going to have the size to be a positive defender, which is why he really needs to improve his offense. That’s the key improvement I’ll be looking for during the rest of the year.


Finally, KPJ. His lowest point came around his 20th game where he was a -1.3 on defense and a -3.0 on offense. Since then, he has become a positive(!) on defense at +.1 and a -2.2 on offense. I think it’s clear that KPJ’s defense was underrated coming into the NBA. He actually projects to become really good on that end. The big question is if he can become more efficient offensively. He’s not an efficient shooter yet, has a poor A2TO ratio, and weird form. But yeah, Cavatt was right on this one, he has really become a nice defender and that bodes well for his NBA future.
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This is really interesting and it makes more sense than using advanced stats for rookies. I have no doubts that those advanced statistics are better once you get larger and larger sample sizes, but when rookies start out really bad and get better, it seems like all year stats just aren't very informative.

That's really good about Porter because a lot of us around here have been lauding his defense due to eye test, but the numbers said he was really bad and one of the worst. I guess it is no coincidence when you look at these numbers that the defense has looked a lot better since he has been back in the lineup and getting big minutes. Replacing a negative defender with a positive one makes a big difference.

I've also been impressed with him guarding bigs like Bam when he gets switched in the post. He is really strong.

Great Post Jking, and not just because you said I was right. It's just like aceing a bunch of tests, but you get one F and it drags your average down. Playing poorly as a rookie when you have no idea what is going on the first few months ruins those numbers when the game has slowed down.
 
Cavatt said:
This is really interesting and it makes more sense than using advanced stats for rookies. I have no doubts that those advanced statistics are better once you get larger and larger sample sizes, but when rookies start out really bad and get better, it seems like all year stats just aren't very informative.

That's really good about Porter because a lot of us around here have been lauding his defense due to eye test, but the numbers said he was really bad and one of the worst. I guess it is no coincidence when you look at these numbers that the defense has looked a lot better since he has been back in the lineup and getting big minutes. Replacing a negative defender with a positive one makes a big difference.

I've also been impressed with him guarding bigs like Bam when he gets switched in the post. He is really strong.

Great Post Jking, and not just because you said I was right. It's just like aceing a bunch of tests, but you get one F and it drags your average down. Playing poorly as a rookie when you have no idea what is going on the first few months ruins those numbers when the game has slowed down.
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Porter’s footwork is unreal. You can see it clearly on offense. When he starts to dribble on the perimeter and probing the court, his feet start to go fast, and defenders are getting confused and beat.

I think this foot speed helps on defense, too. It’s why he’s good laterally and as a roving defender.
 
jking948 said:
Porter’s footwork is unreal. You can see it clearly on offense. When he starts to dribble on the perimeter and probing the court, his feet start to go fast, and defenders are getting confused and beat.

I think this foot speed helps on defense, too. It’s why he’s good laterally and as a roving defender.
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There's a post in the 2019 draft thread where I talk about this and how I have never seen it from someone so young. I was confused why he was being rated so low, and said we should consider him at 5. The space he generates even in the crowded paint is pretty amazing. I was completely on board getting 15-20 pick and using it on him.

I want to get another defensive wing, and then I think we have a pretty high defensive upside.

What does it mean in regards to the numbers thing? I think part of it is that he was taking really difficult shots that he should have been more selective about. He was working on something more advanced, when he should have been working on more fundamental stuff. Now how can you determine that by looking at the numbers alone? What's the difference between someone overcomplicating their game and having poor efficiency and a guy who is just bad at basketball? It's a good question, and I think it is instructive that he has had more success as he has taken more open shots and not pulled out the footwork every time he gets the ball like he was early on.
 
Cavatt said:
There's a post in the 2019 draft thread where I talk about this and how I have never seen it from someone so young. I was confused why he was being rated so low, and said we should consider him at 5. The space he generates even in the crowded paint is pretty amazing. I was completely on board getting 15-20 pick and using it on him.

I want to get another defensive wing, and then I think we have a pretty high defensive upside.

What does it mean in regards to the numbers thing? I think part of it is that he was taking really difficult shots that he should have been more selective about. He was working on something more advanced, when he should have been working on more fundamental stuff. Now how can you determine that by looking at the numbers alone? What's the difference between someone overcomplicating their game and having poor efficiency and a guy who is just bad at basketball? It's a good question, and I think it is instructive that he has had more success as he has taken more open shots and not pulled out the footwork every time he gets the ball like he was early on.
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Absolutely! I think part of his offensive efficiency problems is that the Cavs are asking him to facilitate. He’s never been asked to be even a secondary playmaker, and all of the sudden he had to, but against NBA defenders. He has a lot of work to do in that regard.

PIPM is more box-score based than RPM. My guess is that the nights where he shoots inefficiently or does not really shoot, combined with his passing troubles and poor surrounding lineups, is what is causing the poor offensive PIPM.

The fun thing is that I’m pretty sure, given his defense, Porter’s defense means he will be in the league for a long time. If he maxes out as a role-player then that’s good value at 30. Still, his technical skills are tantalizing, and I am cautiously optimistic that he will improve.
 
jking948 said:
Porter’s footwork is unreal. You can see it clearly on offense. When he starts to dribble on the perimeter and probing the court, his feet start to go fast, and defenders are getting confused and beat.

I think this foot speed helps on defense, too. It’s why he’s good laterally and as a roving defender.
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He really has great footwork and also thought he does well playing post defense on bigger men. The only doubt I had with him is he falls asleep guarding his man but I think that is more technique. Really happy for him on his defense. And great post on the analytics - very interesting.
 
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