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2019-20 Cavaliers Regular Season Thread

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The Warriors legitimately sucked and had little chance this season after Durant left and those injuries happened. Without Durant, Curry, and Thompson, Draymond Green was basically bad. It is akin to when Robinson went down for the Spurs and missed the entire 96-97 season, which led to them getting Duncan with the first pick in the draft. Yes, both the Spurs and GSW were teams that were still fundamentally sound, andin that sense it was "unfair" that they got good picks, but the injuries were legit. In any case, here's the example you used:



So you were objecting to the Bucks and Lakers not having the opportunity to tank, and to get good picks like the Cavs and Knicks. Why should the rich get richer?And just as an aside, I'm not sure what kind of Cavs fan complains because the Cavs and Knicks, rather than the Bucks and Lakers, are getting the better draft picks. Actually, I guess I do know what kind of "Cavs" fan thinks that way.....



The draft is not meant to be a reward for finishing last. It is meant to be part of a system that helps the teams with less talent become more competitive in future season. Your complaint here subverts the entire logic behind the draft order.
I’m saying it would have been better for them to lose, hence the season should not count at all...

I don’t even know what you’re blabbering on about in the middle part, are you saying I’m not a cavs fan because I hold an unbiased view? I clearly would prefer and have stated as such that the nba just give us a high pick but I dont think that should be the case.

The drafts main purpose is so all the best young players don’t sign with the lakers like a soccer situation and the fairest way is to prevent that is by giving the worst teams first opportunity. If the NFL’s next season is canceled who according to you should get the first pick? Bengals again?

I don’t see how you can’t see that the only team being rewarded are the worst teams.
 
If you don’t like the cavs vs bucks/lakers extreme comp you can look at Memphis making the ‘playoffs’ that didn’t exist over Portland, kings and pels

Mind you, Memphis deserves to get screwed over for being the reason lottery odds changed then getting Ja the next year...
 
I’m saying it would have been better for them to lose, hence the season should not count at all...

I don’t even know what you’re blabbering on about in the middle part, are you saying I’m not a cavs fan because I hold an unbiased view?

Actually, I'm suggesting that your concern for the Lakers suggests you may be a fan of a former Cav.

The drafts main purpose is so all the best young players don’t sign with the lakers like a soccer situation....

No, that isn't the reasoning behind the draft 9rder. That's right where you're going wrong.

If it was, a random draft pick assignment would do just as good a job of ensuring young players don't all go the best teams. And random would be "fair" to all teams if that was the purpose.

But that isn't the logic behind the draft order. The goal is to help the worst teams get better by getting the better young players, so that's why they get to pick first. Precisely because they are the worst, and the league is trying to keep teams balanced.

If the NFL’s next season is canceled who according to you should get the first pick? Bengals again?

If no NFL games at all are played prior to next year's draft, there is no solid basis for determing which are the worst teams. So, I dunno. Interesting hypothetical.

But that's not the case with this year's NBA draft. Here, the NBA has completed 3/4 of the season, and you yourself have already said we know whoch are the worst teams. So that's not an issue.

I don’t see how you can’t see that the only team being rewarded are the worst teams.

That's the entire logic behind the draft order every single year.
 
I’m not going wrong at all you are missing the point, the point is no season = null and void. Every team has around 17 games still to go. The cavs aren’t even eliminated from playoffs at the moment. If the season is not completed it is null and void. As simple as that
 
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Probably because he has yet to show he is an NBA player. If they draft a wing this year, he could be out of the rotation by default whereas if he had been healthy this past year he would have been in the rotation by default.


I think he could beat Cedi for a starter or bench position.
 
I’m not going wrong at all you are missing the point, the point is no season = null and void. Every team has around 17 games still to go. The cavs aren’t even eliminated from playoffs at the moment. If the season is not completed it is null and void. As simple as that

Ugh.

You keep thinking of the draft as a "reward" for crappy teams. That is not the league's motivation for letting crappy teams draft first.

The NBA is a competitive league dependent upon revenues from all around the country. For that reason, it is best for the league if the fans of every team have some hope for future success. If crappy teams stay crappy forever, those franchise will likely die, and those fans will no longer be giving money to the league. The league obviously wants to avoid that. It also helps the league if each team has some good players, because it makes that team more entertaining and marketable as an opponent. The NBA is a competitive league, and that requires some degree of balance. In other words, the purpose of the draft is to help the weak teams improve more relative to the strong teams. Getting at least some level of parity is something for which every sports league strives.

So, the NBA looks at the regular season record to determine which were the worse teams who need the most help in the upcoming draft. This year, even though the entire season was not complete, more than three quarters of it was completed. Unless you have a better idea, looking at those records is the best way to determine which teams are the worst teams that need the most help in the draft. And it's probably worth noting that playoff records don't impact the draft order at all in any years.

Ignoring a 3/4 completed season would mean you'd be ignoring what everyone already knows -- that the Lakers, Bucks, Clippers, Raptors, etc., were very good teams, and the Cavs, Knicks, etc., were not. You wouldn't be helping out the weaker teams, which is exactly what the draft is supposed to do.
 
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There's precedent for a pro sports draft following a season ending prematurely without any playoffs. The 1995 MLB draft followed the order established by the strike-shortened 1994 season which ended in August. It's almost certain (I would say certain) that the NBA would follow that precedent.
 
There's precedent for a pro sports draft following a season ending prematurely without any playoffs. The 1995 MLB draft followed the order established by the strike-shortened 1994 season which ended in August. It's almost certain (I would say certain) that the NBA would follow that precedent.

It does get interesting if there is no 2020-21 season, but I think that's very unlikely.
 
Ugh.

You keep thinking of the draft as a "reward" for crappy teams. That is not the league's motivation for letting crappy teams draft first.

The NBA is a competitive league dependent upon revenues from all around the country. For that reason, it is best for the league if the fans of every team have some hope for future success. If crappy teams stay crappy forever, those franchise will likely die, and those fans will no longer be giving money to the league. The league obviously wants to avoid that. It also helps the league if each team has some good players, because it makes that team more entertaining and marketable as an opponent. The NBA is a competitive league, and that requires some degree of balance. In other words, the purpose of the draft is to help the weak teams improve more relative to the strong teams. Getting at least some level of parity is something for which every sports league strives.

So, the NBA looks at the regular season record to determine which were the worse teams who need the most help in the upcoming draft. This year, even though the entire season was not complete, more than three quarters of it was completed. Unless you have a better idea, looking at those records is the best way to determine which teams are the worst teams that need the most help in the draft. And it's probably worth noting that playoff records don't impact the draft order at all in any years.

Ignoring a 3/4 completed season would mean you'd be ignoring what everyone already knows -- that the Lakers, Bucks, Clippers, Raptors, etc., were very good teams, and the Cavs, Knicks, etc., were not. You wouldn't be helping out the weaker teams, which is exactly what the draft is supposed to do.
Oh my god. It is a reward... my god. The worst team gets something out of the season, the best teams do not. You are rewarding the worst teams with the best teams getting nothing. I can’t explain it any better than that. You either get it or you don’t..There is no point being a well run organisation in your scenario.

I would only agree with you if they awarded the championship to the team with the best record which they shouldn’t because it wasn’t stated as a rule before the season commenced
 
Oh my god. It is a reward... my god. The worst team gets something out of the season, the best teams do not. You are rewarding the worst teams with the best teams getting nothing. I can’t explain it any better than that. You either get it or you don’t..There is no point being a well run organisation in your scenario.

I would only agree with you if they awarded the championship to the team with the best record which they shouldn’t because it wasn’t stated as a rule before the season commenced

Have a Blessed Day!
 
I think he could beat Cedi for a starter or bench position.

Sure he could. He will be competing against KPJ now too when he was originally prioritized over him, and maybe a lottery wing pick too
 
Sure he could. He will be competing against KPJ now too when he was originally prioritized over him, and maybe a lottery wing pick too

I still think KPJ's best position will be as the SG -- the smaller wing. Perhaps his size/strength eventually will enable him to match up well against 3's, but that will be for defensive flexibility, not as a primary assignment. A guy who can guard 1-3 should be a 2. To the extent he has played/will play the 3, I think that's more a function of who else we have on the roster rather than it being his ideal position.

Windler clearly needs to add some muscle, but he's a natural 3.
 

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