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The only player they should think about keeping is TT. Knight should be playing over Delly to just see if he can play well and get someone interested in both him and his contract. No one is going to come calling for Delly or Henson as a player at this point, they will be purely expiring contracts.

Knight or Clarkson might be able to be traded for another expiring contract, especially if that expiring contract is a real bad player or injured.

I would trade TT if the value back is right. TT has alot of miles on him for his age. He could end up another Varejao situation. I'm not even sure what you pay TT at this point or how long of a contract you give him.
Your obsession over TT is disturbing. He needs traded along with the rest o the Clarkson's and Nance's(who is probably untradeable thanks to that awful contract). He gets abused physically and it is just sad.
 

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This was why I didn't want Garland at all. There are better pg's in this class, and we would have had another year of Sexton to judge. Dunno who I would have taken, probably Culver.

Taking another pg Jesus it is depressing to me. I would rather take 3 wings and hope one hits than take 3 pgs and have 2 be ok and one be good.
It is just really unfortunate luck didn't go our way on draft night. The arc of our franchise would be miles different with Morant.

3 PG's isn't ideal but missing out on a cornerstone player at that position, because of sunk draft capital, would be worse IMO.

Our cardinal sin, to me, was not even taking two guards......it was taking two guards that are not multi positional players.....because if neither hits their ceiling at their natural position, you don't have anywhere else to put them.
 

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It is just really unfortunate luck didn't go our way on draft night. The arc of our franchise would be miles different with Morant.

3 PG's isn't ideal but missing out on a cornerstone player at that position, because of sunk draft capital, would be worse IMO.

Our cardinal sin, to me, was not even taking two guards......it was taking two guards that are not multi positional players.....because if neither hits their ceiling at their natural position, you don't have anywhere else to put them.
I don't believe in a cornerstone pg. I just don't. Curry would be nice, but we see how much the best one/best shooter in the league can do by himself.

Rather have a highish level pg and a great wing. There are too many good pg's, so if you have one that can hang, that is good enough. Move on
 

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It's not so bad imo even if we do end up having a PG be bpa next draft. Besides Cole Anthony most of the other guys are pretty big (Hayes, Hampton, Maledon, Lamelo, Dosonmu even) so at least we'd somewhat fix the height issue in our backcourt. Pretty funny so many taller pgs ended up bunched together in the same draft and range but its really good for us.

I was scavenging the Windler thread last night and read Koby's comments again after drafting him, which have me very intrigued. They are looking at players that can dribble, shoot and pass which is absolutely the way to go imo. Rather than having skilled but skewed one dimensional players we can end up with a team full of players that all have a full toolbox. Combine that with a good strong system and we can have a team that can always take the exact advantages that are given by the other team rather than forcing our strength no matter what without being able to adjust.

It's how Miami is building their roster basically. There is legit value in having a team full of players that can do those three things simultaneously, even over a team with the typical traditional positions. Ideally they'd be all 6'6 wings of course instead of small guards, but it's still the way to go imo. We just have to hope one/two of them improve to very good levels and suddenly we have a really good team with the proper, versatile supporting cast. But untill we pick that player or that guys emerges we need to be picking the correct kind of guys to maximize our drafts.
 
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It's not so bad imo even if we do end up having a PG be bpa next draft. Besides Cole Anthony most of the other guys are pretty big (Hayes, Hampton, Maledon, Lamelo, Dosonmu even) so at least we'd somewhat fix the height issue in our backcourt. Pretty funny so many taller pgs ended up bunched together in the same draft and range but its really good for us.
The position labels have largely fallen by the wayside in practice, even if we still cling to them. I'm not even sure how the PG label got created in the first place. It's not like a short, pass-first guard has ever been part of a championship formula. (Maybe back in the old days, but not since the '80s at least.) I'm not concerned with having a lead guard who averages a dozen assists.

The bigger issue for me is that the Cavs can't keep drafting 6'1" guards and expect to win. If they do decide to go for another guard in the 2020 draft, I certainly hope that at least they take one of the bigger guards, like a LaMelo. I could definitely see a backcourt of LaMelo (or whoever) and Garland succeeding.

Of course, this is where we shake a fist at the heavens and curse the gods for having a shortage of premium wing players in the three consecutive drafts where the Cavs have a high pick. But that's the hand we've been dealt.
 

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I really like Sexton but i think long term he's your 6th man off the bench providing a big scoring punch. Getting lucky and drafting Wiseman in 2020 would really fast forward the rebuild. I know it's early in the season but trying for the playoffs with this team is how teams stay mediocre. Trade your older assets for any picks and young players you can get.

Garland
KPJ, Sexton
Windler, Cedi
Wiseman, Nance
 

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We need another 3 first rounders in this draft... ideally:
Our own - used on best player possible (Edwards, Wiseman etc)
2nd one- used on a long shot blocker
3rd one - used on a long wing that can shoot and defend
 

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We need another 3 first rounders in this draft... ideally:
Our own - used on best player possible (Edwards, Wiseman etc)
2nd one- used on a long shot blocker
3rd one - used on a long wing that can shoot and defend
3 first rounders is unlikely. Even with all of our expirings we likely won't net any firsts. Expirings just don't have value this year with a terrible FA class. Unless rumors of Davis leaving LA come up not really anyone to sell out to try to get.

As for a long shot blocker I would try out some Gleague players once 10 day contracts start. Other teams find guys in the Gleague. Kyle Alexander on Miamis Gleague affiliate is stuffing the stat sheet. 11/11 70 percent from the field 70 percent from the line with 3.1 blocks. I'm not saying he's the answer but if you try enough players out from the Gleague level one has to eventually stick.
 

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Your obsession over TT is disturbing. He needs traded along with the rest o the Clarkson's and Nance's(who is probably untradeable thanks to that awful contract). He gets abused physically and it is just sad.
I don't think I have an obsession with TT, maybe you're thinking of someone else. I literally watched 5-8 minutes of highlights to see how he is scoring. I was all for trading him last year and would still support trading him in alot of scenarios. I do think he helps our young guys get to the rim and get open shots. I'm not sure how easy we can replace what he does but he isn't a long term piece for us or any NBA team.

I wouldn't want to resign him for a long term contract because it could just be a horrible contract like Varejao's last Cavs contract. I don't think he is worth a pay raise either, probably would need a pay cut to stay.

I don't know what kind of trade value he has. I would trade him for a late 1st round pick if it was an expiring coming back. If it was a bad contract coming back, then I think Koby needs to gauge what TT and Rich Paul think he is worth money wise and how long of a contract he wants.
 
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We need Windler. I think he is really going to help ball movement. I bet guys start shooting better with him magically because he is good at swinging the ball and provides space.
 

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This was why I didn't want Garland at all. There are better pg's in this class, and we would have had another year of Sexton to judge. Dunno who I would have taken, probably Culver.

Taking another pg Jesus it is depressing to me. I would rather take 3 wings and hope one hits than take 3 pgs and have 2 be ok and one be good.
I disagree with Garland, in a vacuum, being the wrong pick. Frankly, we have no idea. Garland has not shown substantially less than any of the other rumored players at that pick.

The problem with the Garland pick is that next year is a guard-heavy class. It seems highly plausible that the Cavs will have a high pick, the best player available is a guard, and then the Cavs are in a world of bad options. They either have to make a trade (moving Garland, Sexton, or the pick), take a third PG/combo guard in the top-ten in as many years, or reach for a player that otherwise would not be taken as high.

I do believe that a title team needs a star facilitator, which is perhaps where we disagree, but insofar as I believe that then I think the Cavs can justify the Garland choice.

But, when they made the Garland pick, they should have had a more clear plan of how to handle Sexton. It still seems like the team does not know what they want to do with the Sexland combo. That's a problem, but if it can be resolved by the draft, then the team can recover.

What is a fact is that there is no way that a title team can have Garland, Sexton, KPJ, and another top-10 guard choice in their plans for a title team. Either one or more will have to be traded, or the team will need to build a team around two of those three and not draft a guard.
 

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I disagree with Garland, in a vacuum, being the wrong pick. Frankly, we have no idea. Garland has not shown substantially less than any of the other rumored players at that pick.

The problem with the Garland pick is that next year is a guard-heavy class. It seems highly plausible that the Cavs will have a high pick, the best player available is a guard, and then the Cavs are in a world of bad options. They either have to make a trade (moving Garland, Sexton, or the pick), take a third PG/combo guard in the top-ten in as many years, or reach for a player that otherwise would not be taken as high.

I do believe that a title team needs a star facilitator, which is perhaps where we disagree, but insofar as I believe that then I think the Cavs can justify the Garland choice.

But, when they made the Garland pick, they should have had a more clear plan of how to handle Sexton. It still seems like the team does not know what they want to do with the Sexland combo. That's a problem, but if it can be resolved by the draft, then the team can recover.

What is a fact is that there is no way that a title team can have Garland, Sexton, KPJ, and another top-10 guard choice in their plans for a title team. Either one or more will have to be traded, or the team will need to build a team around two of those three and not draft a guard.

The bolded was what I was referring to. The odds of another guard being the BPA is very high next year, whereas there as only one consensus star guard this past year was Morant.

This past draft is pretty weird though. I am not sure who would be 5 if not for Garland. Herro? He wasn't really in the conversation. Culver hasn't shown much or had the opportunity. Goga might have made sense, especially since they are low on Zizic.

Windler weirdly will greatly change my evaluation of our draft, potentially.
 

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This is the worst team in the league. Everyone is a sunk cost. We need to finish with the worst record in the NBA. And we will. Trade everyone
 

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This is the worst team in the league. Everyone is a sunk cost. We need to finish with the worst record in the NBA. And we will. Trade everyone
Other than Sexton, everyone is wildly inconsistent on how much they score from night to night. It's just hard to know who is going to be playing well from night to night. The young guys should become more consistent over time. Hopefully Love gets back on track.
 

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