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Play with 3 guards and 2 forwards. Hell you’re starting to see more 4 guard lineups in college. Get ahead if the curve, professional sports always have to adapt to what college does eventually because that’s the type of talent available for them. See NFL/Spread offense. See true Centers slowly fading already.
 

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Play with 3 guards and 2 forwards. Hell you’re starting to see more 4 guard lineups in college. Get ahead if the curve, professional sports always have to adapt to what college does eventually because that’s the type of talent available for them. See NFL/Spread offense. See true Centers slowly fading already.
Actually, I think the center position is making something of a comeback. Embiid, Jokic, KAT, Gobert, Vuc, Horford, Nurkic....In fact, teams with good centers constituted 7 of the 8 teams that made the conference semifinals last year.

The truth is that what works in college isn't always going to work in the pros because pro athletes are bigger, faster, and can cover more ground defensively. They shrink the court. The wishbone offense in football, which was a mainstay of the college game even through much of the 80's, has largely died out because modern NCAA linebackers tend to be too fast. And in the NBA, there are too many big men whose combination of foot speed and length can counter the quickness of guards. Then, the team with more size can absolutely abuse the shrimpos on the offensive end because the team with 3-4 guards will get clobbered due to lack of size.
 

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This team is going be so bad on defense, the Pels are never going to see that first rounder
Whatever it takes...I’ll GLADLY take a year of sucky D if it means keeping that pick.
 

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Actually, I think the center position is making something of a comeback. Embiid, Jokic, KAT, Gobert, Vuc, Horford, Nurkic....In fact, teams with good centers constituted 7 of the 8 teams that made the conference semifinals last year.

The truth is that what works in college isn't always going to work in the pros because pro athletes are bigger, faster, and can cover more ground defensively. They shrink the court. The wishbone offense in football, which was a mainstay of the college game even through much of the 80's, has largely died out because modern NCAA linebackers tend to be too fast. And in the NBA, there are too many big men whose combination of foot speed and length can counter the quickness of guards. Then, the team with more size can absolutely abuse the shrimpos on the offensive end because the team with 3-4 guards will get clobbered due to lack of size.
I think the skill level expected out of centers has increased and will continue to do so just like PFs have over the past 10 years. I'm not sure what the ideal profile of centers will end up as but they will have to be alot more well rounded than they have been in the past.

The NBA game might just evolve into Guards, Wings, and Bigs where teams will want depth at every level and versatility to match up. The raptors put together a group just like that this year. I wouldn't be surprised if rim runner types like TT get pushed out of the league in the next 5 years.
 

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Whatever it takes...I’ll GLADLY take a year of sucky D if it means keeping that pick.
Agreed, hopefully we can land an all star big man or wing in the draft and then get serious about building a team that can compete
 

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imo its really important we target length in the next draft. Our top 7 pick has to be long and good defensively... and obviously not be a point guard
I think the future of the NBA is multiple players like De'Andre Hunter or Dylan Windler who can guard multiple positions. The Cavs wanted to take advantage of rules which favor playmaking over defense by locking in Garland and Sexton, but surrounding that higher usage guard teams need wings who can switch onto bigs. I personally don't think the Garland/Sexton starting backcourt is going to last and Sexton will end up a sixth man, but the wings are coming by 2020.
 

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I think the future of the NBA is multiple players like De'Andre Hunter or Dylan Windler who can guard multiple positions. The Cavs wanted to take advantage of rules which favor playmaking over defense by locking in Garland and Sexton, but surrounding that higher usage guard teams need wings who can switch onto bigs. I personally don't think the Garland/Sexton starting backcourt is going to last and Sexton will end up a sixth man, but the wings are coming by 2020.
I don't know that we can claim this yet.

I do think Windler shows good defensive instincts and he has the length and athleticism to be a neutral or slightly positive NBA defender. However, he's never done it yet and he wasn't a particularly strong defender at Belmont given the energy he expended on the other side of the floor remaining in constant motion offensively.
 

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I don't know that we can claim this yet.

I do think Windler shows good defensive instincts and he has the length and athleticism to be a neutral or slightly positive NBA defender. However, he's never done it yet and he wasn't a particularly strong defender at Belmont given the energy he expended on the other side of the floor remaining in constant motion offensively.
We agree he is too wiry and not strong enough to guard power forwards yet. His future is certainly at playing shooting guard or small forward. However, he has the skillset and length. He was a converted high school big man who developed his shooting to be a wing. I believe the Cavs are going to put him on a strength program, like they did with Cedi, to turn him into a wing who can switch 1-4.
 

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We agree he is too wiry and not strong enough to guard power forwards yet. His future is certainly at playing shooting guard or small forward. However, he has the skillset and length. He was a converted high school big man who developed his shooting to be a wing. I believe the Cavs are going to put him on a strength program, like they did with Cedi, to turn him into a wing who can switch 1-4.
At this point, I think he needs more strength to guard even 3's effectively.
 

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We agree he is too wiry and not strong enough to guard power forwards yet. His future is certainly at playing shooting guard or small forward. However, he has the skillset and length. He was a converted high school big man who developed his shooting to be a wing. I believe the Cavs are going to put him on a strength program, like they did with Cedi, to turn him into a wing who can switch 1-4.
I hope so. I certainly like everything else I've seen from Windler. I just worry about his size going forward, combined with the fact that he's never been a plus defender in the past.
 

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My optimism with Windler developing into a legit small forward is his underestimated length and athletic testing at the combine. He has the same standing reach as Grant Williams, with better height and a longer wingspan. What he doesn't have is the strength of Grant Williams.

Little Belmont College doesn't have the resources to put good mass and strength on Windler like the Cavs strength coaches can. Going back to Cedi, I was impressed how much his body developed from his rookie season to second year. I think it's doable.
 

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Yeah no way Windler can handle a 4 at this point, but his agility test was really good. Maybe he can guard 1's. Klay does it all the time and their test numbers are nearly identical.

I do think he can get a lot stronger. His bench numbers were good. He has that wiry strength. He is sneaky athletic and strong. I can't wait to see what he looks like in a couple of years. He may not be a #1 guy, but he is really the type of dude that works great complementing strong offensive players.
 

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We agree he is too wiry and not strong enough to guard power forwards yet. His future is certainly at playing shooting guard or small forward. However, he has the skillset and length. He was a converted high school big man who developed his shooting to be a wing. I believe the Cavs are going to put him on a strength program, like they did with Cedi, to turn him into a wing who can switch 1-4.
I agree with this. I would add that Windler was always a good rebounder in college and he averaged 10.5 and 13.0 rebounds per 40 minutes his last 2 years in college. Additionally, he tested as a plus athlete, with an 11‘10“ maximum vertical reach, at the combine. For comparison’s sake, that’s on the high end for small forwards and better than many power forwards.

I see him as a small forward with the ability to occasionally play power forward. Of course, he needs to get stronger, but what incoming rookie, not named Zion, doesn’t?
 
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