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Dylan “Breaking” Windler is a Laker. How much help does LeBron need!?

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Which of Dylan Windler's Organs are most Desirable for Harvesting?

  • Lungs (because he is great at cheering while in street clothes)

    Votes: 1 2.3%
  • Liver (Ricky Rubio could use a new one)

    Votes: 4 9.3%
  • Kidneys (of no immediate use, but useful for cash considerations)

    Votes: 1 2.3%
  • Heart (in excellent shape from so much sideline cardio)

    Votes: 2 4.7%
  • Uterus

    Votes: 6 14.0%
  • Ovaries

    Votes: 12 27.9%
  • Eyes (useful for changing eye color without contact lenses)

    Votes: 1 2.3%
  • Foreskin (for circumcision reversal)

    Votes: 7 16.3%
  • Face (a sop for the Faceless Men)

    Votes: 1 2.3%
  • Whatever Jim Chones would like

    Votes: 16 37.2%

  • Total voters
    43
One bad road trip and you’re singing “Hit the Road, Jack.”

Who is going to pick up the scoring loss? Dean Wade? Collin didn’t have a great road trip but he did score at least 22 in every game except the Nuggets debacle.

Oh I forgot - we can get rid of Sexton and acquire Wiggins, who can score 20 ppg at horrible efficiency. That’ll do it.

Frankly selling Sexton just to get “anything of value” out of this trade deadline makes no sense to me. Why is this trade deadline so important to our team? Is there some big asset available?

Wow, the list of assumptions you are making from my post is pretty staggering. I'm not saying trade Sexton for Wiggins. I'm not saying Sexton for "anything of value." That's all some type of boogeyman you are projecting, my friend.

What I've suggested is that the Cavaliers want to shake up the roster significantly after the Pacific division kicked their teeth in. During that time, all the concerns about Collin Sexton's offensive and defensive shortcomings were in plain sight, and hurt the team as much as helped.

Because Sexton has improved this season, this might be the time to use him as a valuable trade chip.

The team has two options: build around his shortcomings or trade him to an established team where he can fill his destiny as rookie contract Jordan Clarkson. He's not a point guard, and he only defends point guards. When his back is against the wall, he stops pretending he can overcome those problems and goes right back to fulfilling his destiny.

The other option is building around his limitations... and at this point I wonder why. Okoro is already a shooting guard, that's his destiny.
 
Wow, the list of assumptions you are making from my post is pretty staggering. I'm not saying trade Sexton for Wiggins. I'm not saying Sexton for "anything of value." That's all some type of boogeyman you are projecting, my friend.

What I've suggested is that the Cavaliers want to shake up the roster significantly after the Pacific division kicked their teeth in. During that time, all the concerns about Collin Sexton's offensive and defensive shortcomings were in plain sight, and hurt the team as much as helped.

Because Sexton has improved this season, this might be the time to use him as a valuable trade chip.

The team has two options: build around his shortcomings or trade him to an established team where he can fill his destiny as rookie contract Jordan Clarkson. He's not a point guard, and he only defends point guards. When his back is against the wall, he stops pretending he can overcome those problems and goes right back to fulfilling his destiny.

The other option is building around his limitations... and at this point I wonder why. Okoro is already a shooting guard, that's his destiny.

The only way i see Collin working here is he grows incredibly in basketball IQ, or he becomes the 6th man many have suggested for awhile. The frustrating thing about Collin is his flashes and production. What keeps him from being Donovan Mitchell? They're both listed at 6'1" on nba.com. Both are undersized SGs in a backcourt with traditionally sized PGs. I see so many teammates react frustratingly to things Collin does on on court. When more than a few of your teammates become visibly frustrated by what you do, it's likely you, not them.

I wonder what he'd look like in Dallas with Luka (with either Love or Drummond for Kristaps, perhaps?).
 
Matchups, matchups, matchups.

I have watched a little over half the Cavs games this season. Okoro struggles against taller small forwards who can shoot. He just doesn't have the reach to disrupt their rhythm. Windler, on the other hand, can play more minutes against those types of players and switch Okoro to the best offensive guard defensively.

Sexland has absolutely been exposed both on offense and on defense against the elite teams of the West coast. The lack of defensive-minded power forward turned their defense into tissue paper, and even worse Sexton fell into some bad habits with tunnel vision again.

I've shifted back to believing Sexton isn't likely to survive this trade deadline. For the Cavaliers to get anything of value out of the deadline, they have to give up something to get something. The West coast trip showed me Sexton can't be "the man" for a franchise. His calling is still elite 6th man for an elite team.
I agree with your assessment that (a) Okoro is a 2 and (b) if the Cavs decide Sexton's not worth a massive extension, his value will never be higher than it is now. Either we extend him this offseason, and he loses value as being perceived as not worth the contract. Or we don't extend him, and he becomes viewed as unwanted goods ala Markkanen and Lonzo this year.

I disagree that trading him is the right move -- especially if we're basing it mostly off one rough patch this season against elite teams that the Cavs were never expecting to compete against this season. Regardless of if you're a Sexton optimist or pessimist, he's a really good young player. That's exactly what young rebuilding teams like the Cavs need. Why trade it when we have it?? He's a really good piece to have, and when you're looking ahead to a loaded draft in which the Cavs should have a great pick, I don't understand why we wouldn't just keep building on what we have and cross our fingers that we can get some luck and land a true star in the draft (which, by the way, every rebuilding team needs luck).

Add on top of it that Sexton is our culture, has embraced the city of Cleveland, and embodies the type of grit and grind attitude that our FO is trying to cultivate... It just doesn't make a ton of sense to me.
 
The only way i see Collin working here is he grows incredibly in basketball IQ, or he becomes the 6th man many have suggested for awhile. The frustrating thing about Collin is his flashes and production. What keeps him from being Donovan Mitchell? They're both listed at 6'1" on nba.com. Both are undersized SGs in a backcourt with traditionally sized PGs. I see so many teammates react frustratingly to things Collin does on on court. When more than a few of your teammates become visibly frustrated by what you do, it's likely you, not them.

I wonder what he'd look like in Dallas with Luka (with either Love or Drummond for Kristaps, perhaps?).
If the Cavs move Drummond and Sexton for Porzingis... Man, that's so bad that it would completely offset the Jarrett Allen heist. Cuban would throw a bigger party than when the Mavs won it all. Sexton & Luka, IMO, is a championship duo with the right pieces around them.
 
Matchups, matchups, matchups.

I have watched a little over half the Cavs games this season. Okoro struggles against taller small forwards who can shoot. He just doesn't have the reach to disrupt their rhythm. Windler, on the other hand, can play more minutes against those types of players and switch Okoro to the best offensive guard defensively.

Sexland has absolutely been exposed both on offense and on defense against the elite teams of the West coast. The lack of defensive-minded power forward turned their defense into tissue paper, and even worse Sexton fell into some bad habits with tunnel vision again.

I've shifted back to believing Sexton isn't likely to survive this trade deadline. For the Cavaliers to get anything of value out of the deadline, they have to give up something to get something. The West coast trip showed me Sexton can't be "the man" for a franchise. His calling is still elite 6th man for an elite team.
Personally I don’t think this particular west coast trip would have any bearing on a determination of Sexton’s long term viability.

I think the team would want to see its younger players on the court with both Nance and, of course, the (forgotten) $30M man.

Perhaps in the off season they might make that decision if they have the good fortune to see their entire team for a decent period of time and it’s still not working with Sexton.

Now is the time for Love to earn the money and MAKE A DIFFERENCE relative to his paycheck!
 
Wow, the list of assumptions you are making from my post is pretty staggering. I'm not saying trade Sexton for Wiggins. I'm not saying Sexton for "anything of value." That's all some type of boogeyman you are projecting, my friend.

What I've suggested is that the Cavaliers want to shake up the roster significantly after the Pacific division kicked their teeth in. During that time, all the concerns about Collin Sexton's offensive and defensive shortcomings were in plain sight, and hurt the team as much as helped.

Because Sexton has improved this season, this might be the time to use him as a valuable trade chip.

The team has two options: build around his shortcomings or trade him to an established team where he can fill his destiny as rookie contract Jordan Clarkson. He's not a point guard, and he only defends point guards. When his back is against the wall, he stops pretending he can overcome those problems and goes right back to fulfilling his destiny.

The other option is building around his limitations... and at this point I wonder why. Okoro is already a shooting guard, that's his destiny.
I’ll admit I’m fixated on being anti-Wiggins. Nevertheless if we do trade Sexton away that leaves a massive hole in scoring for us that we need to fill immediately. I don’t want to throw that burden on the rest of the team, especially the youngsters. I really like that we’re putting up threes but the last thing I’d want to do for the likes of Windler, Okoro and Allen is to have them take too many shots.

There‘s a strong school of thought that Wiggins and his contract are worth the Minny pick so I would think if we get rid of Sexton that will become more of a factor. I think Wiggins is two steps back and not worth the Minny pick. Personally I don’t think the Cavaliers would rate Wiggins highly especially given his crap advanced stats but who knows.

I’m not against trading Sexton; I just think it’s premature to come to conclusions on our young players given the injuries, short preseason, COVID and its restrictions, etc.

I actually think NEXT years trading deadline is about they right time to see where we are as a team. In the meantime we should continue to be opportunistic.

One other point - if I’m the owner who are the players people will pay to see? For me it’s Allen and Sexton. If Sexton is traded then I’d want someone back who also draws.

ok, one other thought - ex-players love Collin Sexton. I know modern talent evaluation is more analytics than gut feel for the game but as someone who was a grad statistics tutor almost 40 years ago I think the pendulum has gone too far on the numbers. Your post explicitly mentioned his destiny as a sixth man and implicitly assumes you know his ceiling. You may very well be right but I‘m not yet ready to conclude this dude can’t get better, especially passing the ball. He did win the game by finding Stevens because he knew the D would come after him; if he could get to 25/7 a night with three more dimes than he’s doing now nobody will care about weak D.
 
Everyone says sexton is too short to play good D. Are you guys watching? Even ben simmons had a tough time posting him up. Curry had a bad shooting night because sexton keeps on rushing to contest.

Sexton still has to fix his off ball defensive awareness, but one on one, he's not someone teams would like to target going against.

This team is one season of experience and a switchy forward away from being a problem in the league.
 
Wow, the list of assumptions you are making from my post is pretty staggering. I'm not saying trade Sexton for Wiggins. I'm not saying Sexton for "anything of value." That's all some type of boogeyman you are projecting, my friend.

What I've suggested is that the Cavaliers want to shake up the roster significantly after the Pacific division kicked their teeth in. During that time, all the concerns about Collin Sexton's offensive and defensive shortcomings were in plain sight, and hurt the team as much as helped.

Because Sexton has improved this season, this might be the time to use him as a valuable trade chip.

The team has two options: build around his shortcomings or trade him to an established team where he can fill his destiny as rookie contract Jordan Clarkson. He's not a point guard, and he only defends point guards. When his back is against the wall, he stops pretending he can overcome those problems and goes right back to fulfilling his destiny.

The other option is building around his limitations... and at this point I wonder why. Okoro is already a shooting guard, that's his destiny.
to Boston w/Cedi for Nesmith, Langford and Thies.
C's get a scorer off the bench, and eventual Kemba replacement as well as a role playing wing shooter (so to speak), Cavs get their young starting SF (who's a better 3 point shooter than his NBA stats suggest, I think) so they can move Okoro into the 2 spot as well as a flyer on another young 2 and some depth at the 4/5 for when you eventually have to cut/buyout AD.
I don't know.. I can go either way on Sexton or Garland. They both have their plusses and minuses and shortcomings that will always have to be accounted for while having intangibles and specific talents that are hard to find.
 
Wow trading Colin just as he Darius and Allen are playing so will together. Couldn't be me
 
Windler didn't have his three-point shot last night but with four Cav forwards out with injuries he still contributed with 8 points, 6 rebounds, and 3 steals in 26 minutes and a +0 when he was on the floor. Not exactly stuffing the stat sheet but on a night when he was 0-for-4 from deep he still found a way to contribute to the win and the Cavs needed everybody last night.

Bickerstaff had him on the floor for the first 6:17 of the 4th quarter so that shows he has confidence in the kid. Last night was his 20th career NBA game.
 
Windler is playing all the way around.. he is a better rebounder than I expected and has good court vision.. he reminds me a lot of Gordon Hayward or perhaps one of the Berry's.. he is good at basketball. He is also likely to get better as he gains strength, provided he can avoid further major injury..
 
Windler is playing all the way around.. he is a better rebounder than I expected and has good court vision.. he reminds me a lot of Gordon Hayward or perhaps one of the Berry's.. he is good at basketball. He is also likely to get better as he gains strength, provided he can avoid further major injury..
right, I'm guessing the SportsVU system will tell you that Windler runs the furthest per minute of everyone on the court. He's in constant motion, reads the play well and his very good instincts with solid athletic ability and length. You could see it from the start of the season, even if his shot wasn't falling yet he was playing well.
 

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