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2019 Draft, Pick #30 - Kevin Porter Jr., USC

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That is excuse making. Bad is bad. Its ok the guy may never make it. Most don't.

Bit sure what you are saying Excuse making? For who? KPJ? He is responsible for his own maturity, many NBA players who make it come from a terrible situation?

Cavs? They took a chance on a troubled but talented player at the end of the 1st round. Was worth the shot. Didnt work out. He might make it as a NBA player, but unfortunately he wore out his welcome, pissed off his teammates and he had to go. KPJ was given 6 or 7 chances per articles we have read.

We will never know the full extent or why they wouldnt let him play on the G-League team. We have a ton of upset people even though they dont even have half the facts. Thats what fans do, jump to conclusions without facts.

Is it possible the cavs could of handled better? Absolutely, but who know, like i keep saying, some players have to fail time and time again before getting it. KPJ failed at USC, still didnt learn from that failure. Maybe after failing in Cleveland he has learned, maybe not. Time will tell.
 
Bit sure what you are saying Excuse making? For who? KPJ? He is responsible for his own maturity, many NBA players who make it come from a terrible situation?

Cavs? They took a chance on a troubled but talented player at the end of the 1st round. Was worth the shot. Didnt work out. He might make it as a NBA player, but unfortunately he wore out his welcome, pissed off his teammates and he had to go. KPJ was given 6 or 7 chances per articles we have read.

We will never know the full extent or why they wouldnt let him play on the G-League team. We have a ton of upset people even though they dont even have half the facts. Thats what fans do, jump to conclusions without facts.

Is it possible the cavs could of handled better? Absolutely, but who know, like i keep saying, some players have to fail time and time again before getting it. KPJ failed at USC, still didnt learn from that failure. Maybe after failing in Cleveland he has learned, maybe not. Time will tell.

Koby left a lot of questions unanswered and left the JB to deal with it. He hasn't done any press aside from introducing Allen all year long. That lack of transparency rubs fans and press the wrong way.

Yeah, he took a chance on this kid, and then when there were questions to be asked, he skipped them and let us make up our own minds why he gave up talent for nothing. People put a lot of stock into KPJ's representation not refuting any of what has been said, but Altman didn't address the fans like a man, and instead whispered through the media and leaks to say "they did everything the y possibly could have, he's a troubled kid".
 
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Koby left a lot of questions unanswered and left the JB to deal with it. He hasn't done any press aside from introducing Allen all year long. That lack of transparency rubs fans and press the wrong way.

Yeah, he took a chance on this kid, and then when there were questions to be asked, he skipped them and let us make up our own minds why he gave up talent for nothing. People put a lot of stock into KPJ's representation not refuting any of what has been said, but Altman didn't address the fans like a man, and instead whispered through the media and leaks to say "they did everything the y possibly could have, he's a troubled kid".

I am not sure you answer what KPJ did wrong because you put KPJ and his mental health first and that doesnt help the kid. But your point of lack of transparency from Koby is 100% correct. He is good at picking talent, bad at dealing with the fans (still important), decent at making trades, and incomplete on putting together a roster as I hope he hasnt tried to put one together yet and is still building and developing talent because if Koby think this roster makes sense at the moment, that is his biggest fail for sure.
 
KOBY did what he was suppose to do let the coaches and players police themselves. if he would come out and tell us or the newspapers everything he would not be a general manager in the nba. the players and agents would be in a uproar.
 
Bit sure what you are saying Excuse making? For who? KPJ? He is responsible for his own maturity, many NBA players who make it come from a terrible situation?

Cavs? They took a chance on a troubled but talented player at the end of the 1st round. Was worth the shot. Didnt work out. He might make it as a NBA player, but unfortunately he wore out his welcome, pissed off his teammates and he had to go. KPJ was given 6 or 7 chances per articles we have read.

We will never know the full extent or why they wouldnt let him play on the G-League team. We have a ton of upset people even though they dont even have half the facts. Thats what fans do, jump to conclusions without facts.

Is it possible the cavs could of handled better? Absolutely, but who know, like i keep saying, some players have to fail time and time again before getting it. KPJ failed at USC, still didnt learn from that failure. Maybe after failing in Cleveland he has learned, maybe not. Time will tell.

KPJ may have been fine in Cleveland if Covid and the accompanying shutdown hadn't hit.

But we'll never know.
 
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Seriously. He crapped the bed here and that’s called being down & out?! Some guys are their own worst enemy and that KPJ.

He was probably clinically depressed or worse, some day he will realize the first person to save his life was Koby trading him to an orginization that would actually get through to him.

I wish him the best.
 
He was probably clinically depressed or worse, some day he will realize the first person to save his life was Koby trading him to an orginization that would actually get through to him.

I wish him the best.

I think he's just a selfish, immature dick who believes his athletic gifts mean the normal rules of behavior don't apply to him. He's got that "Don't disrespect me!!" mindset that makes him hypersensitive to any perceived sleight, from anyone.
 
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I think he's just a selfish, immature dick who believes his athletic gifts mean the normal rules of behavior don't apply to him. He's got that "Don't disrespect me!!" mindset that makes him hypersensitive to any perceived sleight, from anyone.
The organization enabled that. They got him out of trouble and swept things under the rug, and then they were surprised when they couldn't enforce their own accountability on him.
 
The organization enabled that. They got him out of trouble and swept things under the rug, and then they were surprised when they couldn't enforce their own accountability on him.

They had zero control over him during Covid. They didn't let things go public, but he was suspended by the team so they didn't just let him get away with it, and it was the suspension that he resented.

Regardless, how they handled it didn't change who he is. He is that guy.
 
I think he's just a selfish, immature dick who believes his athletic gifts mean the normal rules of behavior don't apply to him. He's got that "Don't disrespect me!!" mindset that makes him hypersensitive to any perceived sleight, from anyone.

I for sure think its more than that. That might be Kyrie, but this guy has some real mental illness going on there in my opinion.
 

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