2019 Draft, Pick #30 - Kevin Porter Jr., USC

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Essentially the Rockets are trying to use him as a trade exception (at least according to Shams)…which makes sense financially, but practically no team is going to want their name in the same sentence as Kevin Porter Jr

Such a sad and dumb situation. The only good that can come of this is if it moves the needle enough to institute something close to a zero tolerance policy.
 
adam81king said:
*IF* he can be waived upon acquiring, a deal of Rubio and Wade gets it done...to get a 2024 FRP (or therabouts), I'd certainly think about that.
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1. KPJ can be waived upon being acquired. The Cavs would be on the hook for his 2023-24 salary and then a $1 million guarantee for 2024-25.

2. I don’t believe Wade + Rubio gets the salaries to match. Not according to any of the trade checkers I used, anyway.

3. Even if the trade was good under the cap rules, the Cavs would be taking on more salary, and that would push them over the luxury tax line. They aren’t going to go into the tax to acquire a pick.

4. Houston wouldn’t want to trade Porter to get Rubio and Wade in return. They want somebody/something that can help them this year. (Otherwise, they would just cut KPJ themselves, and owe nothing to him beyond this season other than that $1 million.) Rubio (who may not even play) and Wade (despite the protestations of his junior high coach) ain’t it. The Rockets would want a useful player (pipe dream) or a trade exception from trading KPJ to a team with cap room to absorb his contract.

Even putting aside the optics of trading for a guy whose victim is still in the hospital (and the Cavs would be re-acquiring him, which may make the optics even worse), I don’t see where there’s a deal to be made here.
 
The Oi said:
Trade?

It’s time for NBA owners to step up and prove themselves. Blackball this man.
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As I've said in the past with respect to other guys accused of wrongdoing, I don't believe in league-wide bans for off court actions.

I do think that the league should be able to declare a contract voidable at the sole discretion of the team, so that such players could be cut without penalty by the team in question. It would then be up to individual teams as to whether or not they wanted to give the guy another shot.

I think that as a practical matter, when the player's conduct is sufficiently egregious, no team will sign the guy anyway. But by leaving it up to individual teams, you eliminate the whole issue of NBA bias and different standards depending upon which franchise is involved, social media reactions, etc..
 
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AllforOne said:
They aren’t going to go into the tax to acquire a pick.
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Very true. Even if they wanted to, the Cavs are not allowed to make trades that put them into the tax this season because they used the "non-tax" MLE exception this offseason, so the league won't approve any trade that puts the team into the tax.
 
AllforOne said:
1. KPJ can be waived upon being acquired. The Cavs would be on the hook for his 2023-24 salary and then a $1 million guarantee for 2024-25.

2. I don’t believe Wade + Rubio gets the salaries to match. Not according to any of the trade checkers I used, anyway.

3. Even if the trade was good under the cap rules, the Cavs would be taking on more salary, and that would push them over the luxury tax line. They aren’t going to go into the tax to acquire a pick.

4. Houston wouldn’t want to trade Porter to get Rubio and Wade in return. They want somebody/something that can help them this year. (Otherwise, they would just cut KPJ themselves, and owe nothing to him beyond this season other than that $1 million.) Rubio (who may not even play) and Wade (despite the protestations of his junior high coach) ain’t it. The Rockets would want a useful player (pipe dream) or a trade exception from trading KPJ to a team with cap room to absorb his contract.

Even putting aside the optics of trading for a guy whose victim is still in the hospital (and the Cavs would be re-acquiring him, which may make the optics even worse), I don’t see where there’s a deal to be made here.
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To your 4th point, Houston has zero leverage. Theyll have a hard enough time getting a team to take on a trade and publicly benefit from this situation. Beggers will not be choosers.

95% chance they're forced to eat the contract. I do hope that the league is able to void it. That family doesn't deserve shit.

Edit: just saw that IG story. I didn't want to say it back when he had his 2 issues here but clearly his mom is an enabler.
 
bigfoot5415 said:
To your 4th point, Houston has zero leverage. Theyll have a hard enough time getting a team to take on a trade and publicly benefit from this situation. Beggers will not be choosers.
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But they’re not going to give up picks just so they can get Rubio and Wade (or other players of that caliber). There’s no reason for them to. It doesn’t cost them any assets to cut KPJ and eat his contract for this year (plus the $1 mil in 24-25, which is minimal).

Then again, this is an org that (a) traded for KPJ and (b) held onto him knowing that it cost them a chance to draft Mobley. So I’m not going to go too far into hypotheticals that assume they’ll act rationally.
 
I remember when I got mocked on here for saying some people are just pieces of shit after the security guard incident. Well seems like I was right. Having a traumatic childhood isn’t an excuse and no amount of therapy is gonna change that. Hope he gets a lifetime nba ban and good riddance.
 
Would it be ok for the Cavs to trade for KPJ if Houston was sending Alperen Sengun in return? Or are we swearing off Turks after Cedi Osman?
 
macbdog said:
Would it be ok for the Cavs to trade for KPJ if Houston was sending Alperen Sengun in return? Or are we swearing off Turks after Cedi Osman?
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In that hypothetical, yes. But that is not far off from asking the Cavs fanbase to be OK with packaging Mobley to get off a bad 1-year deal. Sengun is looked at as a cornerstone building block in Houston. I honestly dont think you see him traded for less than an All NBA caliber talent.
 
AustinCarr said:
In that hypothetical, yes. But that is not far off from asking the Cavs fanbase to be OK with packaging Mobley to get off a bad 1-year deal. Sengun is looked at as a cornerstone building block in Houston. I honestly dont think you see him traded for less than an All NBA caliber talent.
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Sengun is a really nice player.
 
BigZ94 said:
I remember when I got mocked on here for saying some people are just pieces of shit after the security guard incident. Well seems like I was right. Having a traumatic childhood isn’t an excuse and no amount of therapy is gonna change that. Hope he gets a lifetime nba ban and good riddance.
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Pretty confident people have to have an up close and personal experince with the KPJ’s of the world before they take on your mentality, which I share.

You can read all the news stories and watch all the crime docus and podcasts you want, but until you’ve lived it with these people you don’t really believe it.

Once you do, there’s no more, “oh he should get a second chance,” or “oh maybe he just needs a different team.”
 
The Oi said:
Pretty confident people have to have an up close and personal experince with the KPJ’s of the world before they take on your mentality, which I share.

You can read all the news stories and watch all the crime docus and podcasts you want, but until you’ve lived it with these people you don’t really believe it.

Once you do, there’s no more, “oh he should get a second chance,” or “oh maybe he just needs a different team.”
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Sounds like a story...
 
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