2019 Draft, Pick #30 - Kevin Porter Jr., USC

[Ozone]

funny how sobering stats are isn't it.
they are not that important really when it comes to evaluating skill level long term.
there are a lot of factors that impacted KPJ for example in college that had less to do with his ability than other factors.The same could be said about Reddish and to some extent Little. Both of whom are far more skilled than the numbers show.
I think overall there was no one taken after Sekou with more upside than Porter

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

funny how sobering stats are isn't it.
they are not that important really when it comes to evaluating skill level long term.
there are a lot of factors that impacted KPJ for example in college that had less to do with his ability than other factors.The same could be said about Reddish and to some extent Little. Both of whom are far more skilled than the numbers show.
I think overall there was no one taken after Sekou with more upside than Porter

I heard the Cavs picked him as a trade bait

 

[Ozone]

I heard the Cavs picked him as a trade bait

yeah yeah
if stats and sample size mean a lot they would not have taken Darius either so there

 

[Sebastian]

I heard the Cavs picked him as a trade bait

Oh?

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

Oh?

Ozone thinks that Garland was picked as trade bait, so yeah...

 

[Ozone]

Ozone thinks that Garland was picked as trade bait, so yeah...

If I agreed he wasn't picked as bait since he was not traded it only says to me this org doesn't know what they are doing.
At least if he were picked as bait his trade value would justify the pick.
I am looking forward to the 2 coexisting and being proved wrong, but am not holding my breath

 

[Sebastian]

If I agreed he wasn't picked as bait since he was not traded it only says to me this org doesn't know what they are doing.
At least if he were picked as bait his trade value would justify the pick.
I am looking forward to the 2 coexisting and being proved wrong, but am not holding my breath

What specifically were the parameters of a trade?

 

[Ozone]

What specifically were the parameters of a trade?

apparently there wasn't any trades on the table according to the majority of posters on here.
I guess there also wasn't the least bit of concern with fit according to everyone else , they just fell in love with his shooting ability and don't expect to be more than a lottery team in the near future anyway so fit is irrelevant.
Oh well, not sure why I expected much

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

apparently there wasn't any trades on the table according to the majority of posters on here.
I guess there also wasn't the least bit of concern with fit according to everyone else , they just fell in love with his shooting ability and don't expect to be more than a lottery team in the near future anyway so fit is irrelevant.
Oh well, not sure why I expected much

Literally the only man on the planet who thinks that Garland was picked to be traded is you. No one else with any clue believes otherwise.

At this point, you are debating what the coach said in a press conference is a fact so not sure why anyone should engage you anymore.

 

[The Oi]

You know that smell you get after an electrical storm? That’s Ozone.

And ozone can be harmful to your health.

 

[Cavatt]

Literally the only man on the planet who thinks that Garland was picked to be traded is you. No one else with any clue believes otherwise.

At this point, you are debating what the coach said in a press conference is a fact so not sure why anyone should engage you anymore.

I actually understand his point more than I did. Just because we already had a pg in Sexton, we took Garland to trade. Everything flows from that. I don't agree, but at least I get his point of view

 

[Ozone]

Literally the only man on the planet who thinks that Garland was picked to be traded is you. No one else with any clue believes otherwise.

At this point, you are debating what the coach said in a press conference is a fact so not sure why anyone should engage you anymore.

Since I was so wrong and everyone else was so right, tell me this: how confident are you knowing he was picked to play "with" Sexton? I guess that is irrelevant to anyone who thinks Sexton is on the move?Maybe you think they will just trade Sexton?
the truth is it makes zero sense for them to have drafted a score first undersized guard with very limited defensive upside past guarding other smaller 1 guards especially 2 drafts in a row with solid wing defenders with high offensive upside on the board as well as a potential dpoy f/c prospect and so it makes more sense to draft a score first guard as the bpa with intentions to trade him. If either one was 6'5" with a 7' ws and a history of solid defense I would have never assumed he was picked to be traded.
it is what it is, I was wrong this org is looking pretty stupid and that's the end of it for me.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Since I was so wrong and everyone else was so right, tell me this: how confident are you knowing he was picked to play "with" Sexton? I guess that is irrelevant to anyone who thinks Sexton is on the move?Maybe you think they will just trade Sexton?
the truth is it makes zero sense for them to have drafted a score first undersized guard with very limited defensive upside past guarding other smaller 1 guards especially 2 drafts in a row with solid wing defenders with high offensive upside on the board as well as a potential dpoy f/c prospect and so it makes more sense to draft a score first guard as the bpa with intentions to trade him. If either one was 6'5" with a 7' ws and a history of solid defense I would have never assumed he was picked to be traded.
it is what it is, I was wrong this org is looking pretty stupid and that's the end of it for me.

I think the general concept you're talking about is valid -- that there is a good chance the pairing doesn't work and that they may have to trade one of the other at some point. But that's different from claiming flat out that "they drafted garland just to trade him."

1) If they truly had already decided for certain to trade Garland, they would have traded him on draft night. They didn't.

2) While it may be likely that the pairing doesn't work defensively, that's still not certain. Either or both of them may improve on that end enough to make it workable, or maybe we'll luck into building a stud defensively team around them.

3) It is possible that Sexton and/or Garland never quite develops into a starting quality player, so the one who is good enough to start will be paired with some other SG, and the other be a microwave off the bench who isn't traded.

4) Maybe we end up trading Sexton and keeping Garland.

Point is...you kind of went way out on a limb by claiming "we drafted Garland to trade him", where there are other possible scenarios where he isn't traded.

 

[Cavatt]

Since I was so wrong and everyone else was so right, tell me this: how confident are you knowing he was picked to play "with" Sexton? I guess that is irrelevant to anyone who thinks Sexton is on the move?Maybe you think they will just trade Sexton?
the truth is it makes zero sense for them to have drafted a score first undersized guard with very limited defensive upside past guarding other smaller 1 guards especially 2 drafts in a row with solid wing defenders with high offensive upside on the board as well as a potential dpoy f/c prospect and so it makes more sense to draft a score first guard as the bpa with intentions to trade him. If either one was 6'5" with a 7' ws and a history of solid defense I would have never assumed he was picked to be traded.
it is what it is, I was wrong this org is looking pretty stupid and that's the end of it for me.

I looked at Culver and Hunter's numbers when they were the same age as KPJ. In fact both were older than he was their freshman year. However, except for Porter's terrible ft%, their numbers are all pretty comparable. KPJ is a little more efficient.

Anyway, my point is we got our wing with Offensive and defensive upside, but also got a really sick ball-handler/shooter in Garland.

I just think Culver and Hunter are not as obviously better than KPJ as people think. They are significantly older.

Don't get me wrong. I was bummed when they took Garland because I am Sexton supporter. I don't think Sexton was a wasted pick.

I don't think it is wrong to question their fit together at all, but at this point in the rebuild, it is not really that important yet. I do think Sexton is very tradeable if Garland is really good and they don't fit.

 

[cabs]

This pick is growing on me... mainly because he is quite handy on 2k..