Darius Kinnard Garland

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[SanduskyCav]

Looks like he’s starting to lose some of the baby fat.

 

[narbar32]

This is funny because in the first three possessions of the tweeted video, it was the exact opposite of "making it look easy." He looked like he was working really hard with a bunch of extraneous dribbling that failed to create much space at all.

 

[bigfoot5415]

This is funny because in the first three possessions of the tweeted video, it was the exact opposite of "making it look easy." He looked like he was working really hard with a bunch of extraneous dribbling that failed to create much space at all.

I thought the exact same thing.

 

[CleveRocks]

Well, Kyrie didn't have much more than that in college, but regardless...

I don't think anyone expected Lillard to be an impact player in his rookie season. But what we did expect to see was good shooting, and a reasonable amount of progression throughout the year. Instead, he was statistically the worst player in the league, the vaunted shot was mostly missing, and the improvement we saw wasn't much.

What concerned me -- and I said this before the preseason even started -- was Beilein falling in love with the guy literally on the basis of one shooting workout. And I know that wasn't the only reason we took him, but it certainly figured into the equation. There was a lot of hype about what a steal he was, that Griff really screwed up by not drafting him when he had the chance, etc.. But what was interesting was that despite the hype that we'd gotten this draft-day steal, other teams seemed curiously uninterested in trading up with us to snag the Can't Miss Kid for themselves.

My point is not that he sucks, not that he can't improve, and not that he might not someday become an all-star caliber player. All of those things are possible, and I'm personally a big believer that getting stronger and in better shape can improve some guys' games significantly. So maybe he does it.

I'm just saying that rather than assuming he was a disappointment who performed under his reasonable projections, and so that ceiling is still there, maybe the reality is that we over-valued him right from the jump. Maybe what we saw last seasons is actually much closer to who he really was all along.

I figured someone would cite this, but I would argue that Kyrie's fragile knees have limited him, and still limit him. He has never fulfilled his promise in my opinion, and is unlikely to do so, also in my opinion. Lillard was surprising, but has escaped much of the injury bug. Still as of today he has not delivered a ring. I dont expect Garland to deliver a ring on his own, either, but he could be a vector if he works hard and stays healthy.

I think the real puzzle for the Cavs is what's next. Do you pass on a Ball, because you already have some potential in the back court, or do you bite the weeny and take the BPA. I personally am favoring taking a Toppan or Wiseman, but honestly I don't know anywhere near enough to be qualified. Thing is talking Ball, you just dont know whats in the box. He is not likely to have a better work ethic or durability than Sexton, so I dont see a digital jump with Ball, and I see a bunch of risk with ego and a guy that may not want to be in Cleveland long term.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I figured someone would cite this, but I would argue that Kyrie's fragile knees have limited him, and still limit him. He has never fulfilled his promise in my opinion, and is unlikely to do so, also in my opinion. Lillard was surprising, but has escaped much of the injury bug. Still as of today he has not delivered a ring. I dont expect Garland to deliver a ring on his own, either, but he could be a vector if he works hard and stays healthy.

I'm not sure that Kyrie's flaws as a player have much to do with his knees. He's a very ball-dominant guy, and a fantastic isolation screr. But he gets tunnel vision, tends not to make his teammates better, and lacks effort/intensity on defense. Perhaps the latter is knee-related, but he just looks like a lot of other guys who just don't like to put out effort on that end

I think the real puzzle for the Cavs is what's next. Do you pass on a Ball, because you already have some potential in the back court, or do you bite the weeny and take the BPA. I personally am favoring taking a Toppan or Wiseman, but honestly I don't know anywhere near enough to be qualified. Thing is talking Ball, you just dont know whats in the box. He is not likely to have a better work ethic or durability than Sexton, so I dont see a digital jump with Ball, and I see a bunch of risk with ego and a guy that may not want to be in Cleveland long term.

I don't know much about those guys either other than what has been said. But I do want someone who has the tools and mindset to become a plus defender, and that doesn't sound like Ball to me.

If I had to choose, I'd prefer to have his older brother.

 

[Derek]

Kyrie has, to this point in his career, refused to play within an offensive system. To put it simply, he's not good enough to do that and be successful in terms of wins and losses (as a #1).

LeBron was a great fit for him because the guys that thrive alongside LeBron are either great isolation guys, great spot-up shooters, or great roll men. Kyrie and LeBron combined to form the perfect "your turn, my turn" offense.

 

[Jordan]

I'm not sure that Kyrie's flaws as a player have much to do with his knees. He's a very ball-dominant guy, and a fantastic isolation screr. But he gets tunnel vision, tends not to make his teammates better, and lacks effort/intensity on defense. Perhaps the latter is knee-related, but he just looks like a lot of other guys who just don't like to put out effort on that end



I don't know much about those guys either other than what has been said. But I do want someone who has the tools and mindset to become a plus defender, and that doesn't sound like Ball to me.

If I had to choose, I'd prefer to have his older brother.

I know it is going off-thread, but what about a guy like Killian Hayes who is still a combo guard, but is a guy with good pick-and-roll defense, is long and can switch, and a nice team defender in college?

I think there are a few guys like that in this draft. Taking Garland and KPJ, given what we knew about this draft, was truly stupid.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I know it is going off-thread, but what about a guy like Killian Hayes who is still a combo guard, but is a guy with good pick-and-roll defense, is long and can switch, and a nice team defender in college?

I think there are a few guys like that in this draft. Taking Garland and KPJ, given what we knew about this draft, was truly stupid.

Heh -- the first time I've heard that name is when you just mentioned. I don't follow college basketball, and might watch 2-3 games a year at most, so I really can't comment on him specifically based on any independent knowledge of my own.

That being said, my priority is getting two way players, so it sounds like he fits that bill.

 

[Ozone]

Heh -- the first time I've heard that name is when you just mentioned. I don't follow college basketball, and might watch 2-3 games a year at most, so I really can't comment on him specifically based on any independent knowledge of my own.

That being said, my priority is getting two way players, so it sounds like he fits that bill.

Good pros and cons takes on Hayes found here:https://www.lineups.com/articles/killian-hayes-scouting-report-drafts-most-elite-point-guard/

 

[Jordan]

Good pros and cons takes on Hayes found here:https://www.lineups.com/articles/killian-hayes-scouting-report-drafts-most-elite-point-guard/

below is my favorite breakdown. I love him, but see the issues. He is a guard, really fun to watch offensively and a solid team defender. I just cannot gauge his ceiling.

Killian Hayes Scouting Report (Collaboration) - The Stepien

This scouting report is a collaboration between Zach Milner and Spencer Pearlman Offensive Scouting Synopsis: Primary creator with off ball potential due to shooting projection (FT%, touch, 3PT% improvement, current...

www.thestepien.com

 

[Ozone]

I like Hayes as a Point guard but I am not drafting a ball dominant guard that needs a lot of work defensively and cant go right in the top couple picks range, any ball dominant guard even one who is a upgrade as a passer and floor general which Hayes and Ball both are to what CLE now has are probably the worst option in the top 3 without taking 2 steps back to get 3 steps forward because neither are solid defenders and similar fit issue logic goes for taking Edwards or Okoro as fits with KPJ already on the roster unless they think either coexisting as off ball guards that slash and defend 3's is optimal to drafting a verstaile big which is probably the most likely situation with Dre a rental,TT 90% gone,Love aging fast and Nance as the lone wolf unless you think they will trade into the back half of the 1st to get Stewart if he falls or idk maybe they will keep Dre or TT.
Seems like the BPA if sitting at 1 could be one of those guards for a couple desperate rosters like NY and depending on the draft order the Cavs could be sitting in a nice spot to trade down a couple picks. Get the big they want and add another wing defender later with added pick.

 

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[Man Called X]

These videos are great. Now if we could just replace NBA athletes with random guys, we'll be set with Garland

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

These videos are great. Now if we could just replace NBA athletes with random guys, we'll be set with Garland

So there is a chance...