Darius Kinnard Garland

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I don't think we are actually disagreeing. Do you think Garland is wants out or wants Collin traded?

I sent you a PM.

 

[LeeBuckeye]

This tweet is from this article linked below.

Collin Sexton and Darius Garland keep showing signs they can be effective together

It’s been nearly two years since that night. And even though questions naturally remain about the viability this early into the process, Sexton and Garland already have a clever nickname (Sexland), genuinely like each other, wear matching shoes and are blossoming into one of the league’s most...

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@red. Doesn't seem like lip service to me and appears (unless we're being fooled) that they're going to try the best to make it work even if they're wrong long-term (reference Lillard/McCollum and Lowry/VanVleet as example of success). He probably doesn't look up to him but brothers is good no? I'm just glad they didn't ask Garland if he saw Sexton as a father figure

I feel like they probably know deep down they're not going to be in the same backcourt for long but they also know their tandem isn't a top 5 reason on why they haven't had success. If there is a complicated relationship, I think it's between Sexton and the FO because I certainly think Garland has the keys to the franchise in their eyes,

 

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This tweet is from this article linked below.

Collin Sexton and Darius Garland keep showing signs they can be effective together

It’s been nearly two years since that night. And even though questions naturally remain about the viability this early into the process, Sexton and Garland already have a clever nickname (Sexland), genuinely like each other, wear matching shoes and are blossoming into one of the league’s most...

www.cleveland.com

@red. Doesn't seem like lip service to me and appears (unless we're being fooled) that they're going to try the best to make it work even if they're wrong long-term (reference Lillard/McCollum and Lowry/VanVleet as example of success). He probably doesn't look up to him but brothers is good no? I'm just glad they didn't ask Garland if he saw Sexton as a father figure

I feel like they probably know deep down they're not going to be in the same backcourt for long but they also know their tandem isn't a top 5 reason on why they haven't had success. If there is a complicated relationship, I think it's between Sexton and the FO because I certainly think Garland has the keys to the franchise in their eyes,

Thanks.

This was my whole point though. They both show each other solidarity and support. A brotherhood. Not one looking up to the other. They both see the fans and media chatter.

I agree about the FO thing too. The Cavs would look a lot different right now with Michael Porter Jr instead of Collin Sexton.

 

[inliner311]

Thanks.

This was my whole point though. They both show each other solidarity and support. A brotherhood. Not one looking up to the other. They both see the fans and media chatter.

I agree about the FO thing too. The Cavs would look a lot different right now with Michael Porter Jr instead of Collin Sexton.

Michael Porter Jr was probably never on the Cavs board at #8 because of his injury and the questionable long term consequences of him having drop foot. They couldn't start the rebuild with a player that was going to be sidelined for at least a year.

I feel like they wanted to start off the rebuild on the right foot and not have a potential bust with that pick especially since fans would always remember it was from the Kyrie trade. The bust potential for a scoring guard has to be the lowest of any position.

For me, drafting Sexton was the least questionable pick in terms of roster building for Koby with the 3 top 8 picks he has had.

 

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Michael Porter Jr was probably never on the Cavs board at #8 because of his injury and the questionable long term consequences of him having drop foot. They couldn't start the rebuild with a player that was going to be sidelined for at least a year.

I feel like they wanted to start off the rebuild on the right foot and not have a potential bust with that pick especially since fans would always remember it was from the Kyrie trade. The bust potential for a scoring guard has to be the lowest of any position.

For me, drafting Sexton was the least questionable pick in terms of roster building for Koby with the 3 top 8 picks he has had.

Do you have an article stating that? I remember fans on this message board talking about his injuries and drop foot.

The bolded part is ridiculous. That thinking is why the Cavs shitted the bed on not drafting Embiid. The Cavs were not in position to compete, so why not take the player with the highest potential? Like I said Michael Porter Jr, Darius Garland and Tyrese Halliburton looks a lot better than what the Cavs currently have, IMO. I love the revised history too. Only person I seen pimping Sexton around draft time too was Rchfield

 

[MirORich]

Do you have an article stating that? I remember fans on this message board talking about his injuries and drop foot.

The bolded part is ridiculous. That thinking is why the Cavs shitted the bed on not drafting Embiid. The Cavs were not in position to compete, so why not take the player with the highest potential? Like I said Michael Porter Jr, Darius Garland and Tyrese Halliburton looks a lot better than what the Cavs currently have, IMO. I love the revised history too. Only person I seen pimping Sexton around draft time too was Rchfield

You can not compare the Embiid situation to MPJ.

By draft night 2014, regardless of the public narrative, there had likely already been enough backchannelling between Rich Paul and Dan Gilbert that the Cavs knew they had at least a good shot LeBron.. There was no way they could draft a player who didn't even play his first two seasons in the NBA and even if they had, LeBron would have had him traded for someone healthy that could help go for championships before Embiid was even healthy enough to play a single game.

Technically, but foolishly, they may have still believed they had a shot to keep LeBron in the summer of 2018 so drafting a player who would likely not play for an entire season may have also been off the table.

 

[RchfldCavRaised]

I love the revised history too. Only person I seen pimping Sexton around draft time too was Rchfield

Sure was. Loved the way he took the fight to Trae Young and I felt his tunnel vision winding down conference play and in the SEC tourney for Avery Johnson was probably a lack of trust in his inferior teammates.

The day after that game, I believe I posted here that Dan and whoever else flew to the game better be prepared to draft Sexton instead of Trae Young

When he got to this level and looked lost at the point and looked much better playing off Delly after the trade, I knew we still needed a point guard.

 

[inliner311]

Do you have an article stating that? I remember fans on this message board talking about his injuries and drop foot.

The bolded part is ridiculous. That thinking is why the Cavs shitted the bed on not drafting Embiid. The Cavs were not in position to compete, so why not take the player with the highest potential? Like I said Michael Porter Jr, Darius Garland and Tyrese Halliburton looks a lot better than what the Cavs currently have, IMO. I love the revised history too. Only person I seen pimping Sexton around draft time too was Rchfield

This is after the draft but it states he wouldn't be back to full strength until his 2nd season the NBA.

Michael Porter Jr.’s back injury, explained by a surgeon and a jelly doughnut

Here’s everything you need to know about Porter’s injury that caused him to slide in the NBA Draft.

www.sbnation.com

I also remember there was some concern about his family history of injuries. I think his older sisters had injuries that ended their college careers. His brother had multiple ACL and MCL tears after MPJ was drafted.

 

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This is after the draft but it states he wouldn't be back to full strength until his 2nd season the NBA.

Michael Porter Jr.’s back injury, explained by a surgeon and a jelly doughnut

Here’s everything you need to know about Porter’s injury that caused him to slide in the NBA Draft.

www.sbnation.com

I also remember there was some concern about his family history of injuries. I think his older sisters had injuries that ended their college careers. His brother had multiple ACL and MCL tears after MPJ was drafted.

You skipped over everything I said. You stated what this message board was saying and tried to pass it off as what the Cavaliers put out. Have a good one.

 

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Sure was. Loved the way he took the fight to Trae Young and I felt his tunnel vision winding down conference play and in the SEC tourney for Avery Johnson was probably a lack of trust in his inferior teammates.

The day after that game, I believe I posted here that Dan and whoever else flew to the game better be prepared to draft Sexton instead of Trae Young

When he got to this level and looked lost at the point and looked much better playing off Delly after the trade, I knew we still needed a point guard.

I remember. Nobody really cared for Sexton until the second half of his rookie season and when the Cavs drafted Garland.

Actually, every player you've pimped out the Cavaliers have drafted. Sexton, Garland, and Okoro. I'm waiting for the Cavs draft spot and your top pick for that spot. LOL.

 

[Cavatt]

We were more likely to draft
Knox
Culver
Toppin

than

MPJ
Darius
Haliburton

I also get people wishing we took MPJ, but I agree that was impossible considering the position the team was in. There was a slim chance Collin could be traded once Lebron made him look good. You can't trade a guy with spinal surgery and drop foot. THe fact he hasn't had major injuries so far is as improbably as Curry's return to health or maybe more so.

I also don't think the Cavs could have developed MPJ like the Nuggets have. As the young buck, he would not have self-policed like Sexton. I mean in Denver he was calling for Jokic to stop hogging the ball in the playoffs last year. He would have been a terrible chucker here IMO. He has some very bad impulses that are curtailed and optimized on the team he is on, and Jokic gets him great shots.

1 assist a game. Hope you like MPJ iso all the time. Hope you like him freezing out Darius and Haliburton constantly.

Drafting is only thing I won't criticize Koby for. I even like the Windler pick. In a talent vacuum KPJ + Windler is better than Keldon Johnson. Koby effed that up in a totally different way.

 

[inliner311]

You skipped over everything I said. You stated what this message board was saying and tried to pass it off as what the Cavaliers put out. Have a good one.

I think you need to be clearer with what you are asking. I took it as the injury history stuff. I'll admit I can't find any articles that clearly states that but I do feel like the narrative was out there beyond this message board. Here is an article from Fedor talking about MPJ last year and the decision to pick Sexton. It's the closest I could find.

"The Cavs didn’t know if Sexton would become an All-Star in the future, but they were convinced he wouldn’t fail. They needed that security, especially with a dearth of young talent and a pick set to jumpstart the rebuild. Not every team was in the same position as the Nuggets, able to take such a massive risk at the end of the lottery."

Do Cleveland Cavaliers regret not drafting Michael Porter Jr. in 2018? Hey, Chris!

There’s no denying Porter’s talent. That was never in question. But it’s fair to wonder if there’s some recency bias here.

www.cleveland.com

 

[Cavatt]

I think you need to be clearer with what you are asking. I took it as the injury history stuff. I'll admit I can't find any articles that clearly states that but I do feel like the narrative was out there beyond this message board. Here is an article from Fedor talking about MPJ last year and the decision to pick Sexton. It's the closest I could find.

"The Cavs didn’t know if Sexton would become an All-Star in the future, but they were convinced he wouldn’t fail. They needed that security, especially with a dearth of young talent and a pick set to jumpstart the rebuild. Not every team was in the same position as the Nuggets, able to take such a massive risk at the end of the lottery."

Do Cleveland Cavaliers regret not drafting Michael Porter Jr. in 2018? Hey, Chris!

There’s no denying Porter’s talent. That was never in question. But it’s fair to wonder if there’s some recency bias here.

www.cleveland.com

I think the point about Denver is a great one. They routinely *after their core was in place* took massive swings on hurt guys liek Bol bol and MPJ. Hampton, who slipped was part of the package for Gordon.

It's a lot easier taking that risk when you already have Joker. After losing major value on Thomas, having MPJ turn out to be Luke Jackson wasn't a good calculated risk.

 

[Ozone]

The Cavs only proven smart draft choice was gambling on Sexton based on his widely known work ethic and guess what it has payed off for Sexton even though the rest of the team is still trying to catch up which may or may not happen. Garland was the bpa on paper unless you really dig deep on guys like THT or Herro next to Sexton, but fans of this roster continue to assume he was taken to replace Sexton since they are both shorter which is kind of sad since that was never the case. Okoro may or may not have been the bpa in a vacuum with Okongwu Halliburton and Pokusevski looking like they have just as much upside & so it is yet to be determined but it doesn't look like it right now because he is a project offensively as long as they force him off ball instead of attacking the paint but when they made the decision to get him reps & make him defend the best player all rookie season long he stayed the course. The truth is Okoro is a worker same as Sexton and the two are destined to lead this franchise and are great fits much to the chagrin of those who love Garland's ability to get the bigs easy baskets as if Broderick Thomas couldn't do the same thing if Darius was never drafted.

 

[inliner311]

I think the point about Denver is a great one. They routinely *after their core was in place* took massive swings on hurt guys liek Bol bol and MPJ. Hampton, who slipped was part of the package for Gordon.

It's a lot easier taking that risk when you already have Joker. After losing major value on Thomas, having MPJ turn out to be Luke Jackson wasn't a good calculated risk.

The odd thing is the Cavs could have been in a similar position this year or next year if the KPJ stuff never happened and we had more luck with health. Kevin Love's contract and declining stats are oddly similar to the situation Denver was in with Milsap. They knew they couldn't get rid of Milsap and could patient taking a guy like MPJ because Milsap was going to be on the team for the next couple years.

I'm not sure this franchise would gamble now with players with questionable pasts or health concerns.