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Darius Kinnard Garland

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I wouldn't have to be blown away. A decent/fair offer would be plenty for me to shift to a team

Alright, let’s do an exercise.

According to some of our insiders and even members of the media—shoot, I think Fedor said “Darius Garland is the closest thing to untouchable on the Cavs roster” in his latest piece—that would insinuate Sexton is the more likely to be moved.

I know we haven’t even seen Garland yet, and I know we can’t put a limit on Sexton’s ability to improve based on his work ethic and what he’s already shown.

What do you consider a fair offer? What young player or asset would make you say yes tomorrow?

Jaylen Brown?
Charlotte’s unprotected 2020 1st?
Miles Bridges and a Top 8 protected 2020 1st?
Caris LeVert?
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander?
Mohamed Bamba?
Dejounte Murray?
Jarrett Culver + Dieng for Sexton + JR Smith?
Kyle Kuzma?
 
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Houston just traded for Westbrick to compete with the dual guard future that is the Cleveland Cavaliers. Sexton is not available.
Cool story, Walrus.

It’s called a fucking exercise.
 
Alright, let’s do an exercise.

According to some of our insiders and even members of the media—shoot, I think Fedor said “Darius Garland is the closest thing to untouchable on the Cavs roster” in his latest piece—that would insinuate Sexton is the more likely to be moved.

I know we haven’t even seen Garland yet, and I know we can’t put a limit on Sexton’s ability to improve based on his work ethic and what he’s already show.

What do you consider a fair offer? What young player or asset would make you say yes tomorrow?

Jaylen Brown?
Charlotte’s unprotected 2020 1st?
Miles Bridges and a Top 8 protected 2020 1st?
Caris LeVert?
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander?
Mohamed Bamba?
Dejounte Murray?

I don't want to move Sexton right now because I've never seen Garland play. The Cavs and/or Fedor may feel differently because they (or at least the Cavs themselves) have seen a lot more of Garland than I have. So, as of right now, I wouldn't trade Sexton for any of those guys. For that matter, I wouldn't trade Garland for any of them either because I haven't seen him play.

In other words, I'm conceptually in favor of moving one or the other, but want to see them first to better gauge what value is fair. So ask me again a few months into the season.
 
I don't want to move Sexton right now because I've never seen Garland play. The Cavs and/or Fedor may feel differently because they (or at least the Cavs themselves) have seen a lot more of Garland than I have. So, as of right now, I wouldn't trade Sexton for any of those guys. For that matter, I wouldn't trade Garland for any of them either because I haven't seen him play.

Ask me again a few months into the season.
So that’s the issue then, right?

We don’t know what a fair offer is at this stage.

Thus, you essentially have to bring them into the season together. There’s no disadvantage to doing so, only advantages.
 
Just want to chime in to say that McCollum was a credible SG defensively coming out of college. Very solid rebound/steal/block numbers for his position, even accounting for the weak competition. Measured 6'2.25" in socks and 197 pounds. If he was an inch or so taller he wouldn't be undersized at all.

Nothing about Sexton's profile, in contrast, suggests any potential to play SG defensively. It's just blind fantasy.

We are looking at height, and as D-Wade proved, its really about standing reach. Luckily Sexton has long arms. His standing reach is 8-2.5. By comparison, Beal's is 8-3, McCullum's is only 8'0.5, Eric Gordon 8'3, Gary Harris, 8'0, etc.

Sexton has long arms and has added muscle. If he adds more muscle to his frame, his reach will allow him to guard sg's. Will he be able to guard them will be a mental thing, not a physical thing for Sexton.
 
Wow! Aggressive much. It's called a joke.
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It's fine. I knew better to come into an internet forum for our 25-30th ranked team and interject a tiny bit of comedy.

That said. I'm morbidly curious to let these two guys work it out, especially as they seem to have some humility and won't immediately go at each other's throat. In life, when everyone is going one way, sometimes it's good to swing the other. Not saying shit defense is a paragon to hang your hat on but both of these guys have a motor and can shoot. That's a thing to at least gawk at while we imagine who our next couple lottery picks will be.
 
So that’s the issue then, right?
We don’t know what a fair offer is at this stage.

I don't know what's a fair offer at this stage. The Cavs likely have better information than I do. That being said....

Thus, you essentially have to bring them into the season together. There’s no disadvantage to doing so, only advantages.

That's why I said:

One of those guys needs to be moved before next season.

I'm perfectly fine with letting it play out this season so that we can better evaluate both of them before making a trade.
 
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Does trading Sexton for Shai realistic if we help them with the tax and all that?
Sexton perhaps could have the higher ceiling in a vacuum for OKC. Who knows.

I believe Garland was the right pick. It was either trading down with Atlanta and getting 2 picks or picking Garland. We didn't trade down, so Garland was the right pick considering his low bust percentage and high ceiling/high floor.

And i'm sorry, Mccollum's stl rate against the worst college competition does not mean he was a good defender or even projected as one. It also does not mean he is a better defender than Sexton will ever be.

Sexton and Garland are far from a great match, but we can still showcase Sexton either on a tanking team as a starter a 6th man for 2 years and his value would be greater than what it is now. I believe he will improve every year, and teams will take Sexton/Garland fit into consideration when solely evaluating Sexton.

I like Sexton and I wanna see them work together.
 
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Just want to chime in to say that McCollum was a credible SG defensively coming out of college. Very solid rebound/steal/block numbers for his position, even accounting for the weak competition. Measured 6'2.25" in socks and 197 pounds. If he was an inch or so taller he wouldn't be undersized at all.

Nothing about Sexton's profile, in contrast, suggests any potential to play SG defensively. It's just blind fantasy.

Horrible comparison.

McCollum's freshman year didn't bear that out. CJ had four seasons in college before leaping to the NBA and often defense is terrible for younger guys, especially in the NBA.

There is not evidence that Sexton can play the 2 defensively, but there's also no evidence he can't. He has a big incomplete on D.

Truth is, we really don't know. Let's see if he takes some steps forward this year and then the team can evaluate. Let's see his capabilities and how he responds to new coaches.

Let's just not compare a guy who was 22 when he started in the NBA versus a guy who was 19.

I think coming to any conclusion on Sexton right now is a blind fantasy. We saw a lot of positive progress last year. Let's see if he can build on that on both sides and let's see if he can learn to defend the 2 adequately.
 
Sexton and Garland are far from a great match, but we can still showcase Sexton either on a tanking team as a starter a 6th man for 2 years and his value would be greater than what it is now.

I think Sexton's highest potential value will be if teams perceive him as being a capable point guard. For those who don't think he can ever be one, then there's really no downside to keeping him here.
 
Alright, let’s do an exercise.

According to some of our insiders and even members of the media—shoot, I think Fedor said “Darius Garland is the closest thing to untouchable on the Cavs roster” in his latest piece—that would insinuate Sexton is the more likely to be moved.

I know we haven’t even seen Garland yet, and I know we can’t put a limit on Sexton’s ability to improve based on his work ethic and what he’s already shown.

What do you consider a fair offer? What young player or asset would make you say yes tomorrow?

Jaylen Brown?
Charlotte’s unprotected 2020 1st?
Miles Bridges and a Top 8 protected 2020 1st?
Caris LeVert?
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander?
Mohamed Bamba?
Dejounte Murray?
Jarrett Culver + Dieng for Sexton + JR Smith?
Kyle Kuzma?

Jaylen Brown - NO
Charlotte’s unprotected 2020 1st - YES
Miles Bridges and a Top 8 protected 2020 1st - YES IF PICK BECAME UNPROTECTED IN 2021
Caris LeVert - NO
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander - YES
Mohamed Bamba - NO
Dejounte Murray - YES
Jarrett Culver + Dieng for Sexton + JR Smith - YES
Kyle Kuzma - NO
 
Jaylen Brown - NO
Charlotte’s unprotected 2020 1st - YES
Miles Bridges and a Top 8 protected 2020 1st - YES IF PICK BECAME UNPROTECTED IN 2021
Caris LeVert - NO
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander - YES
Mohamed Bamba - NO
Dejounte Murray - YES
Jarrett Culver + Dieng for Sexton + JR Smith - YES
Kyle Kuzma - NO

You would take Dejounte Murray who is a middling talent. But wouldn't take a chance on the upside of Mo Bamba?
 

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