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Darius Kinnard Garland

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What is Darius Garland's Ceiling?

  • One Time All-Star

    Votes: 14 8.9%
  • Occasional All-Star

    Votes: 16 10.2%
  • 5-6 Time All-Star

    Votes: 31 19.7%
  • Perennial All-Star

    Votes: 40 25.5%
  • An All-NBA Team or Two

    Votes: 23 14.6%
  • Perennial All-NBA Teamer

    Votes: 20 12.7%
  • Occasional MVP Candidate

    Votes: 11 7.0%
  • Perennial MVP Candidate

    Votes: 2 1.3%
  • MVP, Baby!

    Votes: 10 6.4%
  • Being Jim Chones

    Votes: 12 7.6%

  • Total voters
    157
Morant is better. But Morant's athletic ability doesnt lead to much better stats at all. But why do you find the need to insult a player to prop another.

Right now Garland is the 4th best PG in the East, and closing the gap with the top3
What's the top 3 & how do you rate them out of curiosity?
 
Lol, Morant is 10x the talent Garland is.
I thought this was sarcasm at first. There is a reasonable debate for one or the other that could be made. Certainly not a land slide.
 
Lol, Morant is 10x the talent Garland is.
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I’ll take Garland over lemelo or brogdon.


Gun to the head id take
Steph
Luka
Trey
Morant over Garland


Garland has fairly high ceiling. Can get anywhere on the court, is quicker than almost everyone, has huge range on the 3 ball and has some Steph in his game when it comes to shot off the dribble.


And he has high end pacing, spacing, and passing.
 
Garland has bigger impact than Ja on winning.

Do we really know that? I mean, Garland's impact on winning was questionable prior to this season, and there were so many other significant changes to this roster during the offseason that I'm not sure how much of that can be attributed specifically to Garland.

If you flipped Morant and Garland, would this team be winning fewer games? Advanced stats seem to favor Morant in terms of his impact on winning.
 
Do we really know that? I mean, Garland's impact on winning was questionable prior to this season, and there were so many other significant changes to this roster during the offseason that I'm not sure how much of that can be attributed specifically to Garland.

If you flipped Morant and Garland, would this team be winning fewer games? Advanced stats seem to favor Morant in terms of his impact on winning.

He has played limited amount of minutes thus far in the season. I'm not sure he is going to sustain such numbers.

Grizzlies are doing very well without him. For starters, I think his defence is really, really bad. Worse than Garland. It's a mixture of low effort and bad defensive skills. Garland doesn't have Morant's tools on the defensive end, but at least he tries. The issue with Garland defensively is still his strength somewhat and the fact that he allows too much dribble penetration. I think some of it can be attributed to how easily he gets called for fouls as well. He is not being reffed correctly on that end. The amount of bs fouls he got in that Wiz game.. god damn.. so annoying.

Why I like Garland more besides my bias as a Cavs fan is that I believe his type of archetype is easier to build around and has proven to achieve more success., in the long term.

I don't know if he would have won fewer games, I really don't. I know that this team wouldn't be nearly as good without Garland. IT's a night and day difference on the offensive end. He brings the best out of Allen and he is the catalyst for our ball movement...because we can't create any rotations without proper screening(which we don't have), so we are so, so dependant on his dribble penetration. His ability to turn a corner and his array of hesitation moves and timing is remarkable. You can also see that slowly, but surely he is learning how to be a master of his craft. I also love the dynamic and relationship that he has with everyone. That's also a receipt to build long term success. He is starting to realise how good he can be and he is doing that without any ego involved.

I will not disparage how reliant he is on a good roll man. It's a huge part of his game. Allen is a big part of his success and vice versa. However, on the other side of the coin, he is also missing a good screener to take his game to the next level as a scorer. He is able to get open looks because of how good he is as a ball handler and his sneaky quickness. Wait till he makes it even easier with a good screener to open up his game off the ball, at least. Right now he doesn't get any separation when the Cavs run any off-ball action for him. HE is also so good when he sets his feet before a shot, so once we are able to free up easily at the top of the break with plenty of time to set his feet... game over. IT shouldn't be that hard.

I just think it's debatable between the two. I'm honestly just happy to see him grow as I was really high on him and nearly sold his stock. Basketball is such a complex game as far as putting your best ability on the floor and gaining that trust and confidence. Some good talent can be washed out of the league for the smallest things. I'm just happy that Darius is starting to figure it out because it was mental with him, more than anything. The Sexton injury was a blessing in disguise for him and the organisation.

I feel bad that Sexton god injured. It must be hella tough for him to watch the team from the sidelines. I just hope he becomes a smarter player after this and finds a way to contribute to what the Cavs are trying to do right now. And if not, I hope he has enough value around the league.
 
Ill happily eat my crow. This kid is a baller and its obvious he has high BBIQ with the way he worked on his game. His floater or Oop release is veey impressive and now hes hitting 3s with confidence. Skys the limit. Honestly only problem i had with him was his lack of aggression but maybe that came with experience.
 
The big difference between Morant and Garland is that Ja's front office didn't make him split playmaking duties with a non playmaker in the same backcourt for 2 seasons.

Garlands ascent over the past 15 games is directly attributable to taking Sexton off the floor and letting Garland play without fighting his own teammate for PG possessions.

Ja Morant is NOT a better point guard than Darius Garland.

He is a better athlete who has a 2 year headstart at establishing himself as the floor general of his team. DG the PG is a better all around floor general with a more developed offensive game. Both use their above average IQs to play defensive lanes.

Morant is on a Westbrook, Francis, prime John Wall trajectory... Garland is much more on a CP3, Nash, prime Tony Parker trajectory

One trajectory is fun for highlights but doesn't impact winning as much. The other is all about getting the wins and will get every ounce out of his skillet to lift the floor of the entire team in order to do it.

Give me Garland in this debate
 

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