Darius Kinnard Garland

[ryanf]

It's hard to compare Garland to Lillard. So much of who Lillard is, is his fire and fearlessness. Garland doesn't have that at all.

Garland is more mccollum in demeanor. Laid back, more smooth than aggressive. Even the baby fats match.

 

[weepinwillow]

This is who I picked after he was drafted. I think I did a writeup/rant here on him and how I projected him to translate to pros

Dame meets Tony Parker. I keep coming back to TP because I really appreciate how they've helped him weaponize his in-between game to setup teammates and become a better finisher over length.

The passing though.

I knew he could create in the few games I saw him with more talent around him than he had here at Brentwood Academy, but I didn't know he could see the floor like THIS and make the passes he can.

His passing is creeping into Chris Paul territory. He's not the defender of course CP3 has always been, but I do notice that with Okoro next to him as a defender, he's a much smarter positional guy who knows when to take risks and baits offenses into these center field interceptions he's been getting every night.

Basically, I'm saying he has a mix of strengths from a few guys but his weakness as a individual defender is the main thing that keeps him from projecting to be THAT dude as of now

interesting take on Darius.

Funny, as Tony Parker is who I saw Sexton's ceiling as initially (remember young "set shot" all speed TP who they wanted to get rid of for Jason Kidd?).

Garland's change of pace style is hard to pin in the league. He looks like Nick Van Exel with deeper range & better passing (and Nick had some killer looks) to me a bit:


I keep saying the Cavs kind of need to pick a horse here. I think Garland unlocks the team better than Collin, so I'd go in on Darius and look to compliment him.

 

[ansatsusha80]

 

[weepinwillow]

Taurean Prince being the funniest player on the team... who knew? I just assumed it had to be Hartenstein.

 

[Ozone]

So I guess Garland is out for the season or what? maybe he sneaks a game in before its over?
Definitely missing his 6 assists per game but for the sake of better draft picks not sure I care
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oops in the last few Sexton is averaging more now lol

 

[Derek]

Garland on, Sexton on (1098 minutes):
Team ORtg - 107.6
Team DRtg - 114.5
Pace - 97.0
Garland - 24.7 points per 100 poss, 51.3% eFG, 54.2% TS
Sexton - 33.1 points per 100 poss, 55.0% eFG, 59.8% TS
Okoro - 11.7 points per 100 poss, 48.1% eFG, 50.0% TS
Allen - 21.1 points per 100 poss, 62.1% eFG, 64.4% TS

Garland on, Sexton off (691 minutes):
Team ORtg - 106.9
Team DRtg - 113.0
Pace - 97.0
Garland - 27.8 points per 100 poss, 52.3% eFG, 55.4% TS
Okoro - 16.6 points per 100 poss, 50.9% eFG, 55.8% TS
Allen - 26.4 points per 100 poss, 64.6% eFG, 67.8% TS

Garland off, Sexton on (996 minutes):
Team ORtg - 105.0
Team DRtg - 116.0
Pace - 98.0
Sexton - 34.4 points per 100 poss, 49.0% eFG, 54.8% TS
Okoro - 15.2 points per 100 poss, 51.3% eFG, 55.0% TS
Allen - 17.4 points per 100 poss, 59.4% eFG, 62.4% TS

https://www.addmorefunds.com/nba/wowy/

 

[Ozone]

Garland on, Sexton on (1098 minutes):
Team ORtg - 107.6
Team DRtg - 114.5
Pace - 97.0
Garland - 24.7 points per 100 poss, 51.3% eFG, 54.2% TS
Sexton - 33.1 points per 100 poss, 55.0% eFG, 59.8% TS
Okoro - 11.7 points per 100 poss, 48.1% eFG, 50.0% TS
Allen - 21.1 points per 100 poss, 62.1% eFG, 64.4% TS

Garland on, Sexton off (691 minutes):
Team ORtg - 106.9
Team DRtg - 113.0
Pace - 97.0
Garland - 27.8 points per 100 poss, 52.3% eFG, 55.4% TS
Okoro - 16.6 points per 100 poss, 50.9% eFG, 55.8% TS
Allen - 26.4 points per 100 poss, 64.6% eFG, 67.8% TS

Garland off, Sexton on (996 minutes):
Team ORtg - 105.0
Team DRtg - 116.0
Pace - 98.0
Sexton - 34.4 points per 100 poss, 49.0% eFG, 54.8% TS
Okoro - 15.2 points per 100 poss, 51.3% eFG, 55.0% TS
Allen - 17.4 points per 100 poss, 59.4% eFG, 62.4% TS

https://www.addmorefunds.com/nba/wowy/

what does this tell us? it says the back up point guard was non existent and
players like Dotson are not as good as Darius.
It also tells me Sexton is not phased by who is running the show next to him nearly as much as Garland is effected by who is next to him.
Okoro also is not impacted much at all by who is next to him when he is playing off ball.
This clearly does not factor in this last stretch of games

 

[foucault87]

What that tells me is we kinda suck regardless of who is out there...

 

[Derek]

what does this tell us? it says the back up point guard was non existent and
players like Dotson are not as good as Darius.

Very true. I agree. I harped on this all year.

It also tells me Sexton is not phased by who is running the show next to him nearly as much as Garland is effected by who is next to him.

That doesn't appear to be true at all. Sexton's numbers drop off significantly without Garland on the floor while Garland's numbers are within a much tighter range.

Okoro also is not impacted much at all by who is next to him when he is playing off ball.

It appears Okoro plays much better when he's on the floor with just one of Garland/Sexton, which implies to me that he might be more effective at a 2 than a 3. Would be interesting to do a deeper dive.

This clearly does not factor in this last stretch of games

It actually factors in all the games this season.

 

[RchfldCavRaised]

Good share coach.

The way I read this...

So, the best NET is with Garland On, Sexton off as both Okoro and Allen produce the best with this configuration

Garland makes everyone better and makes Sexton an even more efficient player when he's on the court with him, but not so drastically enough that staggering Sexton will make him a worse player (he scores 1ppg more with Garland off but is less efficient and doesnt make anyone else around him better aka stop playing him as a PG)

Allen is an entirely different player with Garland on and Sexton off, and Okoro is a better player but not as drastically as Allen is with Garland and no Sexton

Sexton, no matter who hes on the floor with, will give you similar contribution, just a little less efficient when he's trying to run the show AND score, but his impact on teammates when running the show, is detrimental to their production.

Okoro, as our eyes have been telling us, is a better player when he's not sliding to the 3 offensively. Whether with Garland or Sexton, he's a 2

Lastly, with Sexton running PG (no Garland) both Okoro and Allen give you their worst production.

 

["MVP"]

My takeaway is simply that Garland's the only player on the team capable of running the 1 effectively, and Sexton and Okoro are best-suited at the 2.

 

[RchfldCavRaised]

The difference on both ends of the floor for Allen when Garland is on the floor is glaring.

Garland on makes Allen a borderline All Star production center

Garland off makes him this year's Clint Capela in production and efficiency

I would imagine what makes him a better defender and our team a better defensive team, is having Allen locked in and engaged knowing he's a vital piece of what we're doing offensively when Garland keeps him happy and engaged on offense as much as we're asking him to be that last line on defense.

 

[Ozone]

Good share coach.

The way I read this...

So, the best NET is with Garland On, Sexton off as both Okoro and Allen produce the best with this configuration

Garland makes everyone better and makes Sexton an even more efficient player when he's on the court with him, but not so drastically enough that staggering Sexton will make him a worse player (he scores 1ppg more with Garland off but is less efficient and doesnt make anyone else around him better aka stop playing him as a PG)

Allen is an entirely different player with Garland on and Sexton off, and Okoro is a better player but not as drastically as Allen is with Garland and no Sexton

Sexton, no matter who hes on the floor with, will give you similar contribution, just a little less efficient when he's trying to run the show AND score, but his impact on teammates when running the show, is detrimental to their production.

Okoro, as our eyes have been telling us, is a better player when he's not sliding to the 3 offensively. Whether with Garland or Sexton, he's a 2

Lastly, with Sexton running PG (no Garland) both Okoro and Allen give you their worst production.

The problem I have with this is I cannot recall to many times where Collin was actually responsible for doing anything as a point guard even with Garland out. Not consistently anyway. Usually this falls on Cedi or in that short time we saw Okoro in that role and did well. early in the season it was Dotson or somebody else.
Usually when he did run the plays and or at least look to make plays more often as needed without Garlands creation he did fine and that is especially evident in the last part of the season where his assist numbers playing with a depleted roster was the same or better than Garlands year average for whatever that is worth.
I think for me to take away from this that Sexton cannot play the point I would need to have him been in that role a lot more than rarely ever so these on off stats don't tell me much about Sexton as a point guard at all.
Garland is the pg on this roster and Sexton is still their best scorer so until that changes they will have to continue to keep them on the floor together or Garland will have to be upgraded to a bigger 2 way pg that helps them utilize Sexton to his full capability without bringing him off the bench and decreasing it. It is either that or they bring Sexton off the bench and upgrade him to a traditional off ball guard that fits better with Garland. That last option seems easier but in reality you will be hard pressed to find one that can produce offensively at the same level as Sexton whereas finding a bigger pg could be as simple as Giddey or Suggs in the lottery

 

[daddywags]

Garland on, Sexton on (1098 minutes):
Team ORtg - 107.6
Team DRtg - 114.5
Pace - 97.0
Garland - 24.7 points per 100 poss, 51.3% eFG, 54.2% TS
Sexton - 33.1 points per 100 poss, 55.0% eFG, 59.8% TS
Okoro - 11.7 points per 100 poss, 48.1% eFG, 50.0% TS
Allen - 21.1 points per 100 poss, 62.1% eFG, 64.4% TS

Garland on, Sexton off (691 minutes):
Team ORtg - 106.9
Team DRtg - 113.0
Pace - 97.0
Garland - 27.8 points per 100 poss, 52.3% eFG, 55.4% TS
Okoro - 16.6 points per 100 poss, 50.9% eFG, 55.8% TS
Allen - 26.4 points per 100 poss, 64.6% eFG, 67.8% TS

Garland off, Sexton on (996 minutes):
Team ORtg - 105.0
Team DRtg - 116.0
Pace - 98.0
Sexton - 34.4 points per 100 poss, 49.0% eFG, 54.8% TS
Okoro - 15.2 points per 100 poss, 51.3% eFG, 55.0% TS
Allen - 17.4 points per 100 poss, 59.4% eFG, 62.4% TS

https://www.addmorefunds.com/nba/wowy/

Curious - Can you determine how many of the 691 Garland on, Sexton off, minutes also have Allen on the floor? I assume this captures the whole season, including before we traded for Allen? Or am I misreading?

 

[RchfldCavRaised]

The problem I have with this is I cannot recall to many times where Collin was actually responsible for doing anything as a point guard even with Garland out. Not consistently anyway. Usually this falls on Cedi or in that short time we saw Okoro in that role and did well. early in the season it was Dotson or somebody else.
Usually when he did run the plays and or at least look to make plays more often as needed without Garlands creation he did fine and that is especially evident in the last part of the season where his assist numbers playing with a depleted roster was the same or better than Garlands year average for whatever that is worth.
I think for me to take away from this that Sexton cannot play the point I would need to have him been in that role a lot more than rarely ever so these on off stats don't tell me much about Sexton as a point guard at all.
Garland is the pg on this roster and Sexton is still their best scorer so until that changes they will have to continue to keep them on the floor together or Garland will have to be upgraded to a bigger 2 way pg that helps them utilize Sexton to his full capability without bringing him off the bench and decreasing it. It is either that or they bring Sexton off the bench and upgrade him to a traditional off ball guard that fits better with Garland. That last option seems easier but in reality you will be hard pressed to find one that can produce offensively at the same level as Sexton whereas finding a bigger pg could be as simple as Giddey or Suggs in the lottery

Nice try

But when Garland isnt on the floor and Sexton is, he's running PG. Just not as effectively. 1,000 minutes is not rarely.

Saying Osman or Okoro (who's just come and started getting the ball over the past 4-5 games) has been assigned more offensive initiating duties in the thousand minutes without Garland on the floor is more an indictment of Sexton's playmaking than any roster composition.