2019 MLB Trade Deadline

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

In a pipedream scenario we get Merrifield but in all honesty the price is too high, but most of here wouldn't be as afraid to pay it. Bell could be another target, but once again price is too high.

Now for Mancini... I am not sure what the price will be since he is under team control until 22, that being said of a lot of the top prospects for the Orioles are at AA, which makes them a team who could contend in 21/22, right before he would be a free agent in his age 31 season. I don't doubt his price will be high, but Baltimore also needs to build for 22 and beyond right now, so a guy like Mancini could net that!

@Derek @AZ_ what type of package do you think it would take to get Mancini?

Baltimore's system is a little harder to read, but I almost feel they would be trying for Nolan Jones, Yu Chang, Civale and Scott type of deal.

Maybe, maybe if you take Nolan Jones off the front of that list, it might be a price I'm willing to pay.

I'm with @Derek on this one. That stated price is absurd.

 

[sportscoach]

If that’s Mancini’s price, I’m not even interested in trying to negotiate.

Maybe, maybe if you take Nolan Jones off the front of that list, it might be a price I'm willing to pay.

I'm with @Derek on this one. That stated price is absurd.

I am sure that is the starting price on paper since you know you gotta aim high in negotiations, I know a middle INF like Chang would be the target and I can see Scott/Morgan also being a target as well since you can never have too much pitching. Just not sure if a Chang, Civale, Scott/Morgan would end up getting it done though. I could see them going for a Chang, Clement, Civale, Scott type of deal as well. Baltimore doesn't need to trade him, but I think they will at the end of the day move in this/next season. Most of the current veterans there will be moved in due time I feel.

Mancini is in a depth position for the Orioles in the sense of #2 prospect is at 1B (plus Davis will be almost impossible to move) then #4, #5, and #7 prospects are all OFs at AA, plus guys like Santander in the pros right now. Now, they don't need guys who can play now in a sense, but guys who will be ready in 2021 type of thing, so more high A/AA guys who have potential.

 

[AZ_]

If that’s Mancini’s price, I’m not even interested in trying to negotiate.

Yeah.

Nolan Jones, Bobby Bradley and two pitchers.

Only a few guys I’m particularly determined to keep at this point.

Tyler Freeman, George Valera, Gabriel Rodriguez. Would need a huge carrot for Jones to be included.

 

[sportscoach]

Yeah.

Nolan Jones, Bobby Bradley and two pitchers.

Only a few guys I’m particularly determined to keep at this point.

Tyler Freeman, George Valera, Gabriel Rodriguez. Would need a huge carrot for Jones to be included.

Personally, it really feels like their priority in a deal for Mancini will be a starting Middle INF/3B and more pitching. They wouldn't want Bradley at all (Not with Davis being almost unmovable and having the number one rated 1B prospect). Hence why they would be looking at Jones/Freeman at first, but do you think they would take a Oveido, Chang, Clement, Scott type of deal in the end?

I mean that would really force us to rely upon a Mathias/Free agent/resign Kipnis for next season to man 2B.

 

[AZ_]

Personally, it really feels like their priority in a deal for Mancini will be a starting Middle INF/3B and more pitching. They wouldn't want Bradley at all (Not with Davis being almost unmovable and having the number one rated 1B prospect). Hence why they would be looking at Jones/Freeman at first, but do you think they would take a Oveido, Chang, Clement, Scott type of deal in the end?

No

Chang and Clement are fringe prospects. Mancini is an All Star.

 

[Derek]

I am sure that is the starting price on paper since you know you gotta aim high in negotiations, I know a middle INF like Chang would be the target and I can see Scott/Morgan also being a target as well since you can never have too much pitching. Just not sure if a Chang, Civale, Scott/Morgan would end up getting it done though. I could see them going for a Chang, Clement, Civale, Scott type of deal as well. Baltimore doesn't need to trade him, but I think they will at the end of the day move in this/next season. Most of the current veterans there will be moved in due time I feel.

Mancini is in a depth position for the Orioles in the sense of #2 prospect is at 1B (plus Davis will be almost impossible to move) then #4, #5, and #7 prospects are all OFs at AA, plus guys like Santander in the pros right now. Now, they don't need guys who can play now in a sense, but guys who will be ready in 2021 type of thing, so more high A/AA guys who have potential.

Like I said, if that's the starting price, I'm not even going to try and negotiate with them. It's just absurdly high. Although, I might value Mancini lower than the average person. I see him as more of a CJ Cron type.

 

[sportscoach]

No

Chang and Clement are fringe prospects. Mancini is an All Star.

Like I said, if that's the starting price, I'm not even going to try and negotiate with them. It's just absurdly high. Although, I might value Mancini lower than the average person, I see him as more of a CJ Cron type.

Chang to me is a guy who has mixed ratings, I am not as high as some people on him, but I don't doubt the Orioles will want him/Clement in a deal.

What is the highest price you would give up, if going by the notion they don't 100% need 1B or OF prospects, but are looking to compete in 2022?

Mancini will be over priced right now if we want to get him, since Baltimore has team control, and he is a RH bat, with good power (which there isn't a ton available of). I don't disagree he is slightly overrated in some ways since he isn't a complete player (the defensive numbers aren't great and he doesn't walk a lot), but with the fact the market is thin as well, makes him the best option for what the Indians are looking for going forward.

 

[daddywags]

Just me, but I doubt that Chang has much value beyond throw-in to anyone at this point. If teams are looking to the Tribe's farm system for infielders it's pretty lame outside of Jones and Freeman IMO, and Jones might need to move to 1B. Maybe Rocchio but he's way way off. Now pitching and outfielders is a different story.

 

[sportscoach]

Just me, but I doubt that Chang has much value beyond throw-in to anyone at this point. If teams are looking to the Tribe's farm system for infielders it's pretty lame outside of Jones and Freeman IMO, and Jones might need to move to 1B. Maybe Rocchio but he's way way off. Now pitching and outfielders is a different story.

Teams will always take a player if they are a good prospect, but the Orioles really don't need, need OF prospects so their priority will be Middle INF/3B and pitching when it comes to a trade for Mancini since they want to fill in holes via the trade, at least from what I can see from their stats and prospect rankings.

I am not as high on Chang, but higher on Clement than MLB.com has them rated, but I have a hunch they really don't want to trade Mancini without getting a haul back, which includes a top 100 prospect/someone close to that ranking and with pitching and INF being maybe their top targets, Indians may not be willing to give up what they want, but I feel Mancini would be the main target overall for the Indians on paper.

 

[sportscoach]

@Urban @Out of the Rafters at the Q @Derek @AZ_

Who would you guys like us see targeting at the trade deadline?

I still feel RH power bat and a veteran setup man, would be my two targets!

I know peeps don't exactly agree with the setup man, but I don't trust this bullpen in the playoffs. We need someone else that can keep Hand's innings down in the second half of the season. I don't trust Wittgren as a setup man.

They already made a move to get a young utility guy (though just a depth move, not someone I ever expect to see more than 250-300 ABs in a season). I still expect they will try one more move like they did for Mercado last season sometime this season as well.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

@Urban @Out of the Rafters at the Q @Derek @AZ_

Who would you guys like us see targeting at the trade deadline?

I still feel RH power bat and a veteran setup man, would be my two targets!

I know peeps don't exactly agree with the setup man, but I don't trust this bullpen in the playoffs. We need someone else that can keep Hand's innings down in the second half of the season. I don't trust Wittgren as a setup man.

They already made a move to get a young utility guy (though just a depth move, not someone I ever expect to see more than 250-300 ABs in a season). I still expect they will try one more move like they did for Mercado last season sometime this season as well.

Players I'm comfortable with for this run: Perez, Santana, Lindor, Mercado
Players you're stuck with: Jose
Players you should look to improve upon: DH, Both corner OF spots, Kipnis

I'd still love someone like Merrifield to play a corner OF spot today, and 2B next season but that's probably not happening.

I'd almost focus more on who's going to give me the most value for the piece I want to move. If I'm trading Bauer, are the Padres going to give me Renfroe plus something else I like? If so, that's gotta be near the top of my list.

Heck, if the market for Bauer isn't what you were hoping, what about thinking outside the box and trying to shop someone like Plesac?

I don't see any reason to allocate resources towards trading for a pitcher this year.

 

[sportscoach]

Players I'm comfortable with for this run: Perez, Santana, Lindor, Mercado
Players you're stuck with: Jose
Players you should look to improve upon: DH, Both corner OF spots, Kipnis

I'd still love someone like Merrifield to play a corner OF spot today, and 2B next season but that's probably not happening.

I'd almost focus more on who's going to give me the most value for the piece I want to move. If I'm trading Bauer, are the Padres going to give me Renfroe plus something else I like? If so, that's gotta be near the top of my list.

Heck, if the market for Bauer isn't what you were hoping, what about thinking outside the box and trying to shop someone like Plesac?

I don't see any reason to allocate resources towards trading for a pitcher this year.

This is just my personal opinion:

I really wanted to trade for Merrifield last season, but price is way too high at the end of the day sadly.

Kipnis is owed to much and his best position is 2B, so on paper, yeah I am replacing him, but in reality he isn't someone that will end up being replaced. Now if we can a 2B guy who has a very good bat and DH platoon Kipnis for the rest of the season, I am not against it, but I just don't see that happening either.

I feel we aren't trading Bauer during the season this year. I know on paper we may be able to improve long term, but I think it sends the wrong message to the clubhouse if we trade right now our Ace of the staff. He actually does help a lot of the other pitchers as well, so I think we may be stuck with Bauer until he is a free agent especially since I feel this team in 2020 will be a legitimate world series contender.

Luplow/Naquin combo in RF is legitimately good, so we don't need to replace that side, but the DH/LF spot is where I am looking for an upgrade. Bauers can still play everyday, but if Mancini's price isn't sky high, he is almost the perfect fit for the next two seasons in that role. He is my target for this trade deadline.

Then I still want another bullpen arm. Manning said a statement in yesterday's ball game that I agree with. He stated something along the lines, if Hand wasn't the closer the rest of the bullpen would be in shambles and I agree with him. I want someone who can be our setup man and backup closer. We don't have anyone right now I trust in that role.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

This is just my personal opinion:

I really wanted to trade for Merrifield last season, but price is way too high at the end of the day sadly.

Kipnis is owed to much and his best position is 2B, so on paper, yeah I am replacing him, but in reality he isn't someone that will end up being replaced. Now if we can a 2B guy who has a very good bat and DH platoon Kipnis for the rest of the season, I am not against it, but I just don't see that happening either.

I feel we aren't trading Bauer during the season this year. I know on paper we may be able to improve long term, but I think it sends the wrong message to the clubhouse if we trade right now our Ace of the staff. He actually does help a lot of the other pitchers as well, so I think we may be stuck with Bauer until he is a free agent especially since I feel this team in 2020 will be a legitimate world series contender.

Luplow/Naquin combo in RF is legitimately good, so we don't need to replace that side, but the DH/LF spot is where I am looking for an upgrade. Bauers can still play everyday, but if Mancini's price isn't sky high, he is almost the perfect fit for the next two seasons in that role. He is my target for this trade deadline.

Then I still want another bullpen arm. Manning said a statement in yesterday's ball game that I agree with. He stated something along the lines, if Hand wasn't the closer the rest of the bullpen would be in shambles and I agree with him. I want someone who can be our setup man and backup closer. We don't have anyone right now I trust in that role.

You're gonna have to replace Kipnis next year.

I think the only in-house solution is Freeman. I doubt our organization brings him up that quickly though.

I agree that we probably aren't trading Bauer this season. But, that doesn't mean we can't still deal from our starting pitching. Perhaps someone like Plesac is that big chip we move.

I mentioned all those areas I'd target to improve, but at the end of the day, I really like Jake Bauers... I think he has the profile and the tools to make it. Plus the kid is seeing a ton of pitches per at bat right now (leads the team with 4.15 pitches per AB). I'm ok with him playing everyday both this year and planning on him doing the same next year.

I'm not comfortable with counting on Bobby Bradley. I still want Daniel Johnson to get a shot.

Adding a bullpen arm seems like a "this year" move. I want moves that are planned for "these 3 years"

 

[sportscoach]

You're gonna have to replace Kipnis next year.

I think the only in-house solution is Freeman. I doubt our organization brings him up that quickly though.

I agree that we probably aren't trading Bauer this season. But, that doesn't mean we can't still deal from our starting pitching. Perhaps someone like Plesac is that big chip we move.

I mentioned all those areas I'd target to improve, but at the end of the day, I really like Jake Bauers... I think he has the profile and the tools to make it. Plus the kid is seeing a ton of pitches per at bat right now (leads the team with 4.15 pitches per AB). I'm ok with him playing everyday both this year and planning on him doing the same next year.

I'm not comfortable with counting on Bobby Bradley. I still want Daniel Johnson to get a shot.

Adding a bullpen arm seems like a "this year" move. I want moves that are planned for "these 3 years"

Kipnis will be replaced next season. It feels like on paper a mix of Chang, Mathias, Clement plus whoever we bring in as a minor league free agent, will be who plays right now at 2B next season, hence why I said we may do a trade like we did for Mercado, and maybe pick up another young guy who could be a 2B if we don't trust Chang/Mathias to be that everyday 2B. We also could try and maybe go get a guy like Gennett who is coming off a bad year and may take a one year deal somewhere on a contending team to fill in next season.

Bauers is part of the future in Cleveland in the 2020's run we hope to have, so in a few seasons if he improves enough, he will be a guy we extend. Johnson I don't think we will end up really seeing this season at the end of the day since if we are looking to contend, we will be trying to get another OF/DH which gives johnson no spot on our 40 man this season. He will be on the 40 man next season without a doubt, but right now as things project and a high probability of us picking up a veteran bat, I just don't see how we can call up Johnson with those factors.

The bullpen arm thing is for this season, but if you think about it, I feel we will have a bunch of young arms next season, Karinchak, Sandlin, Nelson, Broom, Civale etc trying to get in our bullpen, but they aren't ready this season and we don't have a legit setup man right now. We are still in the race and with having the Twins right off the bat after the All-Star break, we could get 4-5 games back with what 70 games to go. Why not make sure we get into the playoffs and make a run for it this season? I am not saying go do a Andrew Miller type of deal, but getting an upgrade in the bullpen would be a good PR move at least and help this team right now.

Edit: Someone did suggest today that a target for the Indians could be Domingo Santana, he isn't a great fielder, and strikes out a lot, but he does lead MLB in RBIs, so not the worst suggestion and has 2 year lefts on his contract. Not sure of his price though since I don't have him ranked highly.

Domingo Santana Stats | Baseball-Reference.com

2020: 2 HR, .157 BA, 12 RBI,Career: 77 HR, .255 BA, 244 RBI, RF, Brewers/Mariners/... 2014-2020, b:R/t:R, born in Dominican Republic. 1992, Showmingo

www.baseball-reference.com

 

[AZ_]

If anyone doesn't think this team is going to bring in a budget middle infielder to compete with and take at-bats away from young players, then you haven't followed this organization very closely.

This is ripe for a light-hitting grinder that replaces Kipnis. Or even Kipnis on a light deal if his market is non-existent.