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I just don't understand why you'd trade for Flacco when you've got Keenum. They're basically both bottom ten QBs, and I'd definitely rather have Keenum at this point in their careers.

Their production is literally the same. Elway just gave up a 4th rounder.

Might just be a 4th rounder, but hey, can always find good players late in the draft.

And when you suck, all draft picks matter.

Elway really is overrated as fuck. Since Manning retired, he's been terrible.
 
Their production is literally the same. Elway just gave up a 4th rounder.

Might just be a 4th rounder, but hey, can always find good players late in the draft.

And when you suck, all draft picks matter.

Elway really is overrated as fuck. Since Manning retired, he's been terrible.

I wouldn't say the same. Keenum was definitely better the past two years.

Just not much.

As for Kaep, not sure how he's a sellout. The NFL settling is huge, as it's essentially an admission that they were scared enough of his case that they would rather pay him a ton of money than risk going to court. He had his career taken away from him via NFL teams colluding and the NFL basically just admitted it.
 
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I wouldn't say the same. Keenum was definitely better the past two years.

Just not much.

As for Kaep, not sure how he's a sellout. The NFL settling is huge, as it's essentially an admission that they we're scared enough of his case that they would rather pay him a ton of money than risk going to court. He had his career taken away from him via NFL teams colluding and the NFL basically just admitted it.

Comparing their production from last season.

Flacco - 61%, 6.5 yards per completion (really bad), 12 tds to 6 pick, QB rating 84.2.

Keenum - 62%, 6.6 yards per completion, 18 picks to 15 picks, QB rating 81.2...

Production is pretty much identical. Keenum was clearly better the year before, but I think that was a fluke year. He's been pretty shitty most his career.

Joe wasn't quite as costly with the ball. Probably does have a better arm.

If he's better we're splitting cunt hairs. Both of them were pretty shitty. And pretty much the same QB last year.

Makes no sense to give away a 4th rounder for a guy that's 4 years older, and just as bad.

The Broncos can try to spin it any way they like, but this is a really bad move.

Flacco hasn't been good for 5 straight seasons. He's been pretty bad.
 
Comparing their production from last season.

Flacco - 61%, 6.5 yards per completion (really bad), 12 tds to 6 pick, QB rating 84.2.

Keenum - 62%, 6.6 yards per completion, 18 picks to 15 picks, QB rating 81.2...

Production is pretty much identical. Keenum was clearly better the year before, but I think that was a fluke year. He's been pretty shitty most his career.

Joe wasn't quite as costly with the ball. Probably does have a better arm.

If he's better we're splitting cunt hairs. Both of them were pretty shitty. And pretty much the same QB last year.

Makes no sense to give away a 4th rounder for a guy that's 4 years older, and just as bad.

The Broncos can try to spin it any way they like, but this is a really bad move.

Flacco hasn't been good for 5 straight seasons. He's been pretty bad.

I don't think it was a fluke year so much as he had much better offensive coaching Minny along with a great run game and two top ten to fifteen WRs. Denver was a downgrade from a skills standpoint and a coaching standpoint.
 
Don’t need to. But I’m a white guy, so my opinion doesn’t matter and I’m racist for saying how I feel.
He’s still a POS and a coward for not coming out the last two years and clearing the air on what he wants.

Buddy...

You do realize that even if both parties saw this thing through all the way to the end and Kaepernick's lawyers literally proved in court that the NFL colluded to keep Kaep out of a job that no NFL team was going to sign him still, right?

Whether he actually wants to play or not is mostly irrelevant. Kaepernick has known for a long time that he's never going to play NFL football again. This whole collusion case he brought forth was to recoup the lost wages (and then some) that he missed out on by being blackballed.
 
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Fucking bullshit and Kaep is a sellout. POS

So Kaep brought the discussion to the forefront of America, showed people like me just how racist America still is, (yeah it was an opener, this and Trump), lost millions, still can speak out against how the cops treat blacks, but because he wanted some of the money he lost back for the collusion he is a sellout?

Fuck that shit, he did what he needed to do.
 
I don't think it was a fluke year so much as he had much better offensive coaching Minny along with a great run game and two top ten to fifteen WRs. Denver was a downgrade from a skills standpoint and a coaching standpoint.

He was check down charlie, with no arms skills. Played the Alex Smith role in Minny.

It was the perfect storm and played beyond himself. His skillset isn't good though. Never was. That's why it was such a field good story that he came in and played so well in Minny.

But anyone with common sense knew it wouldn't last.

But just look at his production before he got to Minny. It's not good. He doesn't have the arm skills to play at a high level.

Reminds me of Colt McCoy a lot. He plays with guts and fire; and you love him for it. But his skillset is at the basement.

They should go after Foles. Maybe the price/trade is too high. If the Eagles are going to really franchise him.

Not sure why Elway won't just embrace the rebuild and draft a QB. Keeps going for these stop gap options that go no where.

For such a great QB; he sure sucks at evaluating it. All his draft selections have sucked, and so has his options post Peyton Manning.
 
Respect what Kaep is trying to do, but he's not good enough to be a starter in this league, and he's not worth the fanfare that he'd be as a backup QB.

20$ mil a year? Not a fucking chance buddy.
 
Respect what Kaep is trying to do, but he's not good enough to be a starter in this league, and he's not worth the fanfare that he'd be as a backup QB.

20$ mil a year? Not a fucking chance buddy.

I think this is my main problem with him.

His cause is admirable. It's of no relevance if I agree/disagree with it, it's something he believes in and as Americans? That's what we're supposed to do.

But it gets frustrating when people go "SUCH AND SUCH IS IN THE LEAGUE, BUT KAEPERNICK ISN'T?!"

First off? He pretty much made Ray Lewis look like a sympathetic figure with this stunt.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports...ay-lewis-colin-kaepernick-20170905-story.html

Second off? If he was indeed serious about wanting to play ball...why didn't he go to Canada? And I mean that most sincere way possible.

https://www.ninersnation.com/2017/9...laying-in-cfl-as-montreal-alouettes-reach-out

Winning the Grey Cup is actually a very cool accomplishment and if he's as skilled as one would think? He would indeed probably win one. Acting "Too good" for a league where Joe Theismann, Warren Moon, Doug Flutie and Jeff Garcia found success at seems kinda arrogant.

If he wants to play ball? Well...I should have been seeing him playing with the Argos or something on those random CFL telecasts ESPN2 airs.

Let me bold this before it gets political. Have no issue with his politics. Have issue with his attitude and his perceived talent. I think Eric Reid got screwed far worse and has far more of a case. I'm glad he won.
 
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Again...

This whole thing from Kaepernick wasn’t about some undying passion for the game of football and it never was. Why would the guy go play for peanuts in Canada or the AAF when he’s clearly talented enough to be in the NFL right now making millions?

In Kaep’s mind, justifiably, it was “play in the NFL or nothing” which I can totally understand. Why risk your body and brain for 200k a year when you know you’re good enough to do it for 15M a year?

Even his most staunch haters would admit guy is one of the 40 best QBs in the world, more than enough to be in the NFL as a low end starter or high end backup. The only reason he’s not in the NFL right now is because league owners colluded to keep him out because of his political stances. Based on the fact the NFL was willing to settle for what’s rumored to be 60-80M without this thing even sniffing an actual resolution is all the proof anyone needs to know the league thought they were beat.

The guy got fucked out of tens of millions of dollars, so he sued... and he won... bigly.

I’m happy for him.
 
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Again...

This whole thing from Kaepernick wasn’t about some undying passion for the game of football and it never was. Why would the guy go play for peanuts in Canada or the AAF when he’s clearly talented enough to be in the NFL right now making millions?

In Kaep’s mind, justifiably, it was “play in the NFL or nothing” which I can totally understand. Why risk your body and brain for 200k a year when you know you’re good enough to do it for 15M a year?

Even his most staunch haters would admit guy is one of the 40 best QBs in the world, more than enough to be in the NFL as a low end starter or high end backup.

That's kind of the problem for the guy really.

I could see him hypothetically being on the level of our backup Tyrod Taylor or Teddy Bridgewater (who I feel still has some promise) at his best and at his worst? Well..Blaine Gabbert beat the dude out.

He hit the absolute worst sweet spot. If he was...say, some random cornerback? No one would have cared. If he was...this former all-pro, several time pro-bowler, MVP-type? Not only would he still be playing but I believe the NFL would have had to address the issues he brought up. He'd have 'em by the balls.

I don't think going to Canada is a bad idea. I think that would have been a great "fuck you" to the NFL and to people who didn't support him down here. Removing the lawsuit out of the equation? Winning a Grey Cup while getting an insane amount of support from various progressive looking sponsors would have been a decent cash cow.

If his thought is preserving his body sans a huge contract? I get it. But if his heart is still going "I want to play". Go to Canada. Get the Grey Cup and make 'em look like fools. Worked like a charm for Warren Moon and Flutie.
 
Again...

This whole thing from Kaepernick wasn’t about some undying passion for the game of football and it never was. Why would the guy go play for peanuts in Canada or the AAF when he’s clearly talented enough to be in the NFL right now making millions?

In Kaep’s mind, justifiably, it was “play in the NFL or nothing” which I can totally understand. Why risk your body and brain for 200k a year when you know you’re good enough to do it for 15M a year?

Even his most staunch haters would admit guy is one of the 40 best QBs in the world, more than enough to be in the NFL as a low end starter or high end backup. The only reason he’s not in the NFL right now is because league owners colluded to keep him out because of his political stances. Based on the fact the NFL was willing to settle for what’s rumored to be 60-80M without this thing even sniffing an actual resolution is all the proof anyone needs to know the league thought they were beat.

The guy got fucked out of tens of millions of dollars, so he sued... and he won... bigly.

I’m happy for him.

True is some aspects. But he did turn down his own option with the Niners. Wasn’t it like 10-15 million?
 
I wouldn't say the same. Keenum was definitely better the past two years.

Just not much.

As for Kaep, not sure how he's a sellout. The NFL settling is huge, as it's essentially an admission that they were scared enough of his case that they would rather pay him a ton of money than risk going to court. He had his career taken away from him via NFL teams colluding and the NFL basically just admitted it.
Not how I remember it going in Baltimore who was going to sign him before whoopsies his girlfriend blew it

And all the reports that he wanted starter money and wouldn't sign for less

It's almost like he didn't want to be signed... then a 60+ million dollar settlement. Interesting how that worked out
 
Not how I remember it going in Baltimore who was going to sign him before whoopsies his girlfriend blew it

And all the reports that he wanted starter money and wouldn't sign for less

It's almost like he didn't want to be signed... then a 60+ million dollar settlement. Interesting how that worked out

Look, I don't really care about Kaep one way or the other, but it's pretty obvious by the fact that the NFL settled, and for a reportedly pretty high amount, that they had something they were worried about. If they were totally clean, why would they bother settling? They know it's essentially an admission of guilt to do so.
 
Look, I don't really care about Kaep one way or the other, but it's pretty obvious by the fact that the NFL settled, and for a reportedly pretty high amount, that they had something they were worried about. If they were totally clean, why would they bother settling? They know it's essentially an admission of guilt to do so.
I don’t doubt that

It doesn’t mean Kaepernick was exactly good natured in his intentions throughout this whole thing either
 

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