2019 NFL Regular Season Thread

[godfather]

I don't know, Daniel Jones looks pretty good to me. Love his mechanics, and how he throws the ball. He's a little raw, just 22. But I get why the Giants fell in love with him.

They were 100 percent correct benching Eli's corpse ass for him.

 

[godfather]

A fucking black cat is on the field. LMAO

 

[Sebastian]

The Refs in this MNF game are straight trash.

Again, bad calls materially effecting the game.

 

[Sebastian]

Five penalties in seven plays.

 

[col63onel]

NFL planning to move the Chargers to London.

Rather they move the Browns

 

[Surge]

NFL planning to move the Chargers to London.

Rather they move the Browns

London would say no.

 

[col63onel]

London would say no.

"You want the Browns?"

"Why, we already have Arsenal"

 

[BlessEm]

On their 4 game win streak Lamar has thrown the ball 104 times and ran it 63 times.

175.8 passing yards per game and 99.8 rushing yards per game.

The Ravens don’t trust Lamar to be a passer. They can say they do all they want, They’ve shown it time and time again.When things get tough and they NEED to move the ball, they’re going back to their bread and butter. Using him as a runner first, thrower second.

15.8 rushing attempts per game during their win streak. I’m not even saying it’s not short term sustainable, but if you think racking up 200+ carries a season for a QB doesn’t mean his shelf life is much closer to a RB than a QB idk what to tell you

and if you think Bill sitting at 8-0 was putting all of his tricks on the table to play the Ravens in their stadium when he very may be playing them in Foxborough later this year then I also don’t know what to tell you

Not gonna lie, I thought all of this was kinda bad.

104 passing attempts to 63 rushing attempts is literally not Ravens using him as a runner first...I mean its literally right there. 104 to 63 . Do they actual give the perfect schemes and play calling for a 6'2 212 elite athlete in Lamar. Rpo's , play action, spreading the field on designed runs. Quick hitters, screens. Etc. Yeeeup. Like you said, in desperate times, putting the ball in your most dynamic playmakers hands is a bad thing?

I mean, if I was a coach, and had a special talent like Lamar, averaging 6.4ypc/99ypg with 5 tds , as well as throwing at a 64% clip with 12 tds... why wouldn't I let Lamar be my playmaker.

Lamar averages 10 Carries a game for his career right..

You realize a Smaller 5'11 less athletic Rusell Wilson averages 5.7 rushes a game for his career right? You realize he has never missed a single game, now on his 8th season as well too.

Also, you somehow turn his 10 rushing attempts a game into saying 200 attempts for a year and compare it to a running back?...Does he get hit like a RB that carries the ball 20 times a game? He VERY rarely takes "hard" hits. He slides, runs out of bounds, or breaks it for a score. He might take a hit a handful of times, No more than a qb standing in the pocket taking a hit or even probably close to the abuse a shorter Mayfield has probably taken.

But since you said "if you dont believe his shelf life is much closer to a RB than a QB then idk what to tell you". Then I guess you dont know what to tell me.

Also, Ravens just dropped 37 points, 210 yards rushing, some rb first/thrower second qb put up 17/23 at 74% with 3 total tds... Dont think the Patriots really want to play them anywhere. Even Foxboro.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

Not gonna lie, I thought all of this was kinda bad.

104 passing attempts to 63 rushing attempts is literally not Ravens using him as a runner first...I mean its literally right there. 104 to 63 . Do they actual give the perfect schemes and play calling for a 6'2 212 elite athlete in Lamar. Rpo's , play action, spreading the field on designed runs. Quick hitters, screens. Etc. Yeeeup. Like you said, in desperate times, putting the ball in your most dynamic playmakers hands is a bad thing?

I mean, if I was a coach, and had a special talent like Lamar, averaging 6.4ypc/99ypg with 5 tds , as well as throwing at a 64% clip with 12 tds... why wouldn't I let Lamar be my playmaker.

Lamar averages 10 Carries a game for his career right..

You realize a Smaller 5'11 less athletic Rusell Wilson averages 5.7 rushes a game for his career right? You realize he has never missed a single game, now on his 8th season as well too.

Also, you somehow turn his 10 rushing attempts a game into saying 200 attempts for a year and compare it to a running back?...Does he get hit like a RB that carries the ball 20 times a game? He VERY rarely takes "hard" hits. He slides, runs out of bounds, or breaks it for a score. He might take a hit a handful of times, No more than a qb standing in the pocket taking a hit or even probably close to the abuse a shorter Mayfield has probably taken.

But since you said "if you dont believe his shelf life is much closer to a RB than a QB then idk what to tell you". Then I guess you dont know what to tell me.

Also, Ravens just dropped 37 points, 210 yards rushing, some rb first/thrower second qb put up 17/23 at 74% with 3 total tds... Dont think the Patriots really want to play them anywhere. Even Foxboro.

How many of the Ravens games have you watched? Because I’ve watched all except for 1 or 2. Lamar gets hit. A lot. And he gets sacked as well something a RB doesn’t have to deal with

how did I turn it into 200 attempts per year for Lamar? he has 99 through 8 games literally on pace for 198 this season. Stop being disingenuous with your argument


5.7 is substantially lower than 10
the 12 passing touchdown name drop is pretty meaningless. 5 in his last 6 games. Not everyone is the Dolphins

If you think 104 passing attempts to 63 rushing attempts isn’t outrageous for a modern day QB then honestly we aren’t going to see eye to eye on this and I’m just not going to spend more time explaining.It’s not sustainable. The Ravens themselves show how much confidence they have in Lamar as a passer week after week when they constantly keep the ball on the ground in big moments

also you included the 9 games Lamar was used on a handful of plays last year to really bring down his career average

as a starter last year he averaged 17 runs per game. Don’t start right off with “your whole post is bad” and then follow it up by including 9 games in which Lamar threw the ball 12 total times (just illustRating how little he was on the field) in his 24 game career average. If you look at his time as a starter he’s over 14 carries per game.

 

[Surge]

Looking at Pro Football Reference there are some interesting tidbits.

QB hits (hits on a designed passing play)- Lamar has only 4 to go along with 18 sacks.
Baker has 33 more pass attempts, and has been hit 7 times with 23 sacks. (Baker was sacked 25 all of last year).

Lamar has 99 rush attempts so far. I don't see a stat to show how many times he's been tackled, but I would conservatively guess at least half of those he's not sliding, scoring, or running out of bounds. Let's call it 50 times he's been tackled. Baker has run 12 times so lets say 6 he's not scoring, sliding, or out of bounds.


Lamar 4 hits, 18 sacks, 50 tackled on running plays = roughly 72 hits.
Baker 7 hits, 23 sacks, 6 tackled on run plays = roughly 36 hits.

So yeah Lamar is hit twice as much as other qb's, but I'm not sure how you can measure impact of those hits and the old "He knows how to take a hit." He seems to not take the big hits very often, whereas a guy like RG3 seemed like every hit was awkward or impactful.

 

[BlessEm]

I just dont understand how it's so easy to label Lamar and what he does as something that cant be maintained. He has never had injury issues. It's the NFL everyone gets hit. If through 8 games there's a rough guess of 72 hits, less then 10 a game(which btw does not compare to a workhorse nfl back), Why is his 6'2 212 frame so much more worrisome than say any smaller reciever going over the middle with up to 10 targets a game? Jerry rice was 6'2 and 200 lbs and played 19 seasons...17 of which he started all 16 games. Was he not getting hit when he would put up 122 receptions in a year?

Just seems ignorant to discredit him because you feel his game is not going to be sustainable. On top of the NFL protecting the qb by far the most they ever had.

At the end of the day we dont know, it's the NFL, anyone can get hurt.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

I just dont understand how it's so easy to label Lamar and what he does as something that cant be maintained. He has never had injury issues. It's the NFL everyone gets hit. If through 8 games there's a rough guess of 72 hits, less then 10 a game(which btw does not compare to a workhorse nfl back), Why is his 6'2 212 frame so much more worrisome than say any smaller reciever going over the middle with up to 10 targets a game? Jerry rice was 6'2 and 200 lbs and played 19 seasons...17 of which he started all 16 games. Was he not getting hit when he would put up 122 receptions in a year?

Just seems ignorant to discredit him because you feel his game is not going to be sustainable. On top of the NFL protecting the qb by far the most they ever had.

At the end of the day we dont know, it's the NFL, anyone can get hurt.

Because no one in the last 40 years has done what he’s doing long term

Hell I don’t even think anyone has done it short term. Maybe he’s The anomaly of anomalies, but I don’t tend to bet on anomalies.

Look at Cam. A guy substantially larger in build than Jackson. He is 30 and hes pretty much dead at this point. The wear and tear from his style of play has his career borderline over at 30.

his average attempts per game? 7.5. His high in a season was 139 rushes.

Vick‘s high was 123.

these are guys who were heavily associated with running the football and Lamaris going to smash through their career high in attempts this season.

The fact that no one has ever done anything like it before is more than enough for me to say it’s very unlikely to be sustainable

and I hate the anyone can get hurt argument. It ignores probability entirely and looks at a “wel could happen to anyone!”

who is more likely to win the lottery, a guy who plays every day or a guy who plays once? Who is more likely to die in a plane crash, pilot or casual tourist? Sure it could be the latter in both categories but it’s substantially more likely the former.

who is more likely to get hurt, the slight framed guy running 14 times a game or the slight framed guy who almost never runs?

Maybe Lamar will be the anomaly. Doing what no one in the history of the NFL could. But I don’t bet on Anomalies

 

[BlessEm]

Because no one in the last 40 years has done what he’s doing long term

Hell I don’t even think anyone has done it short term. Maybe he’s The anomaly of anomalies, but I don’t tend to bet on anomalies.

Look at Cam. A guy substantially larger in build than Jackson. He is 30 and hes pretty much dead at this point. The wear and tear from his style of play has his career borderline over at 30.

his average attempts per game? 7.5. His high in a season was 139 rushes.

Vick‘s high was 123.

these are guys who were heavily associated with running the football and Lamaris going to smash through their career high in attempts this season.

The fact that no one has ever done anything like it before is more than enough for me to say it’s very unlikely to be sustainable

and I hate the anyone can get hurt argument. It ignores probability entirely and looks at a “wel could happen to anyone!”

who is more likely to win the lottery, a guy who plays every day or a guy who plays once? Who is more likely to die in a plane crash, pilot or casual tourist? Sure it could be the latter in both categories but it’s substantially more likely the former.

who is more likely to get hurt, the slight framed guy running 14 times a game or the slight framed guy who almost never runs?

Maybe Lamar will be the anomaly. Doing what no one in the history of the NFL could. But I don’t bet on Anomalies

Newton?? who missed only six games in the previous eight years, just missed his fifth game of the 2019 season because of a foot injury that occurred while he was sacked in the pocket by New England. He has run with the ball nearly 1,000 times in his career, and the costliest injury he received occurred while trying to avoid rushers in what was left of the pocket.

Once again, 5'11 Rusell Wilson has ran 750 times now and has yet to miss a game.. is he not sustainable too?

Any injury to a quarterback with genuine running talent is treated as proof of his fragility...even if it occurs while he is performing the acceptable quarterbacking task of throwing from the pocket. Any injury to a pocket-based quarterback while he is in the pocket is summarily ignored. Right? Ala your Newton example.

You hate the "it's the NFL, anyone can get hurt" argument??

"Research on NFL quarterback injuries compiled by injury coordinator John Verros at Sports Info Solutions shows the risk of a quarterback being injured on a designed run is remote — only one for every 236 plays. The risk for a scrambling quarterback is almost equal to the quarterback who is sacked: once every 91.7 plays for the scrambler, once every 92.5 plays for the guy getting sacked."

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

Newton?? who missed only six games in the previous eight years, just missed his fifth game of the 2019 season because of a foot injury that occurred while he was sacked in the pocket by New England. He has run with the ball nearly 1,000 times in his career, and the costliest injury he received occurred while trying to avoid rushers in what was left of the pocket.

Once again, 5'11 Rusell Wilson has ran 750 times now and has yet to miss a game.. is he not sustainable too?

Any injury to a quarterback with genuine running talent is treated as proof of his fragility...even if it occurs while he is performing the acceptable quarterbacking task of throwing from the pocket. Any injury to a pocket-based quarterback while he is in the pocket is summarily ignored. Right? Ala your Newton example.

You hate the "it's the NFL, anyone can get hurt" argument??

"Research on NFL quarterback injuries compiled by injury coordinator John Verros at Sports Info Solutions shows the risk of a quarterback being injured on a designed run is remote — only one for every 236 plays. The risk for a scrambling quarterback is almost equal to the quarterback who is sacked: once every 91.7 plays for the scrambler, once every 92.5 plays for the guy getting sacked."

Dude the point with Newton is that he is broken at the ripe old age of 30, it has nothing to do with his relatively healthy career to that point.

We just aren’t going to agree on This so I’m just going to drop it. You make solid points but we just fundamentally disagree

 

[bob2the2nd]

Newton?? who missed only six games in the previous eight years, just missed his fifth game of the 2019 season because of a foot injury that occurred while he was sacked in the pocket by New England. He has run with the ball nearly 1,000 times in his career, and the costliest injury he received occurred while trying to avoid rushers in what was left of the pocket.

Once again, 5'11 Rusell Wilson has ran 750 times now and has yet to miss a game.. is he not sustainable too?

Any injury to a quarterback with genuine running talent is treated as proof of his fragility...even if it occurs while he is performing the acceptable quarterbacking task of throwing from the pocket. Any injury to a pocket-based quarterback while he is in the pocket is summarily ignored.

You hate the "it's the NFL, anyone can get hurt" argument??

"Research on NFL quarterback injuries compiled by injury coordinator John Verros at Sports Info Solutions shows the risk of a quarterback being injured on a designed run is remote — only one for every 236 plays. The risk for a scrambling quarterback is almost equal to the quarterback who is sacked: once every 91.7 plays for the scrambler, once every 92.5 plays for the guy getting sacked."

have you ever watched russell Wilson play? Serious question, because to compare his style of QB to Lamar's is fucking ridiculous. Lamar is basically a RB that can very awkwardly heave the ball in a general directly. Russel Wilson is an extremely accurate QB that picks and chooses when to run the ball.

Here is a stat for you Russel Wilson has rushed more than 100 times in a season twice 2014 and 2015. In 2014 he rushed for 118 times, and in 2015 he rushed 103. Compare that to Lamar Jackson who in half a season has rushed 99 times. Jackson is currently on pace to have a career 350 rushes by the end of his 2nd season. Wilson was into his 4th season before he hit that many. Furthermore since 2015 Wilson has only rushed more than 72 times in a season once. Meaning he has cut back dramatically since 2015.

Lets look at Cam Netwon. Cam averages 115 rushes a year, and never over 140. Once again Jackson is on pace for 200 this year, after 150 last year. The rate at which Jackson is rushing hasnt happened in the NFL in decades. So while maybe Jackson is going to go on to be the first long term successful true dual QB capable of carrying a team on the ground and through the air, but the odds seem unlikely.