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My biggest regret this season is never getting to see the team I thought we would be putting on the floor.

C Drummond, McGee
PF Love, Nance
SF Okoro, Windler, Cedi
PG/SG Sexton, Garland, Porter, Delly

Porter flamed out before the season, Love went down in game 3, Delly went down in preseason, then Drummond was sent home and we traded for Allen.

Now we have a reconstructed team after the trades for Allen, Prince, and Hartenstein, but we still haven't seen it due to more injuries. I just hope we can get Allen, Nance, and Windler back and fully healthy for at least 15 games so we can see what this team looks like when JBB has the entire roster at his disposal.
 

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Great observation and good call.

Without a doubt, he plays differently when Love makes his presence felt on the court. The ball simply doesn't stick to Sexton the way it does without Love on the floor. But it's more about how Sexton approaches the offensive end, as weird as that sounds. Larry has a good rapport with Sexton but it's a different synergy between those two. The ball sticks to Sexton more with Larry out there and guys don't move as much.

Funny how that works.

This game is such an imperfect science. One of the main reasons I love it. It's jazz.


Sexton seems to defers to veterans he respects,he did that alot with Drummond...I know him and Jaron Blossomgame were close true to being from Atlanta. Having Love back is going to help him because teams were constantly double teaming or putting pressure on him. They can't do that now,for the most part. And,if Garland have the same type of game he did against the Spurs consistently it's going to open the offense even more.
 

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My biggest regret this season is never getting to see the team I thought we would be putting on the floor.

C Drummond, McGee
PF Love, Nance
SF Okoro, Windler, Cedi
PG/SG Sexton, Garland, Porter, Delly

Porter flamed out before the season, Love went down in game 3, Delly went down in preseason, then Drummond was sent home and we traded for Allen.

Now we have a reconstructed team after the trades for Allen, Prince, and Hartenstein, but we still haven't seen it due to more injuries. I just hope we can get Allen, Nance, and Windler back and fully healthy for at least 15 games so we can see what this team looks like when JBB has the entire roster at his disposal.

If,everyone comes back and plays well,it's gonna be the biggest "what if" for this season...
 

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My biggest regret this season is never getting to see the team I thought we would be putting on the floor.

C Drummond, McGee
PF Love, Nance
SF Okoro, Windler, Cedi
PG/SG Sexton, Garland, Porter, Delly

Porter flamed out before the season, Love went down in game 3, Delly went down in preseason, then Drummond was sent home and we traded for Allen.

Now we have a reconstructed team after the trades for Allen, Prince, and Hartenstein, but we still haven't seen it due to more injuries. I just hope we can get Allen, Nance, and Windler back and fully healthy for at least 15 games so we can see what this team looks like when JBB has the entire roster at his disposal.
for me the biggest regret is not getting to see KP w/Allen, Okoro and Garland feeling himself. I think we'd know exactly where the Cavs were heading if he had been in a better place emotionally.

When that trade (for Allen) went down I felt like you could see where things were going. And then as quickly as it happened, *poof*

I'm sure Cade Cunningham would cure a lot of ills, but the chances aren't good that we get that pick.
 

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I’m not sure we actually played an NBA team tonight, but I sure did enjoy watching.
The Thunder’s tank over the last few weeks is so brutal that I’m a a little surprised the NBA is letting them get away with it. On the other hand, with no fans allowed in OKC, they are choosing the best time to do it.
 

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I’m not sure we actually played an NBA team tonight, but I sure did enjoy watching.

These teams need to be held accoutnable.

On another note, the Cavs are starting to win too many games.

While it is true that the Lottery reformat has sinked a tanking team's odds at winning the Lottery, or ironclad guarantee of being in the top of the Draft, it is not true being better than the bottom four is insignificant.

In this Draft, Top 5 is probably where you need to be to draft someone that may be a franchise player. Some good options.

When it comes to the odds of having a pick in the Top 4, the difference between having the fourth worst record and the sixth worst record goes from about a 50/50 shot to 1-in-3.

Not insignificant.
 
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These teams need to be held accoutnable.

On another note, the Cavs are starting to win too many games.

While it is true that the Lottery reformat has sinked a tanking team's odds at winning the Lottery, or ironclad guarantee of being in the top of the Draft, it is not true being better than the bottom four is insignificant.

In this Draft, Top 5 is probably where you need to be to draft someone that may be a franchise player. Some good options.

When it comes to the odds of having a pick in the Top 4, the difference between having the fourth worst record and the sixth worst record goes from about a 50/50 shot to 1-in-3.

Not insignificant.
Win too many games is a mortal sin?
 

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Win too many games is a mortal sin?
Well, it is the best draft in years. And the Cavs have been unlucky, somewhat, in that while Garland and Sexton are fine young players, not busts by any means, neither of them are franchise players.

I know the Lotto odds are not what they used to be, but the difference between a 50/50 shot at being in the Top 4, and a 1-in-3 chance of the same will come down to 2-3 more wins. Right now the difference between the third worst record, and the eighth worst, is four wins. And frankly, as we have seen this trade deadline, the Cavaliers have very limited options to improve the team outside the Draft.

It would be very much in the fashion of the past few years to miss out on the Top 5 in a draft when having even the fifth pick could be the difference between finding a cornerstone or another "what exactly do we have here" pick at 6 through 8.

This team is in dire need of real talent, a first-look all-star type player.

I know people will say "tanking doesn't pay off, the rule change undermined that strategy." We'll they aren't wrong, but it isn't the case right now. The season is lost. It's over. Sexton and Garland have been getting their playing time. They were competitive for a while, but the bottom fell out thanks to injuries. Gentle tanking may help them improve dramatically moving into next year. And given their Lotto luck the past few years, they need every percent they can get to get into the Top 5.
 

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Well, it is the best draft in years. And the Cavs have been unlucky, somewhat, in that while Garland and Sexton are fine young players, not busts by any means, neither of them are franchise players.

I know the Lotto odds are not what they used to be, but the difference between a 50/50 shot at being in the Top 4, and a 1-in-3 chance of the same will come down to 2-3 more wins. Right now the difference between the third worst record, and the eighth worst, is four wins. And frankly, as we have seen this trade deadline, the Cavaliers have very limited options to improve the team outside the Draft.

It would be very much in the fashion of the past few years to miss out on the Top 5 in a draft when having even the fifth pick could be the difference between finding a cornerstone or another "what exactly do we have here" pick at 6 through 8.

This team is in dire need of real talent, a first-look all-star type player.

I know people will say "tanking doesn't pay off, the rule change undermined that strategy." We'll they aren't wrong, but it isn't the case right now. The season is lost. It's over. Tanking is the only play they have left to improve dramatically moving into next year. And given their Lotto luck the past few years, they need every percent they can get to get into the Top 5.
Well reasoned, but it's a bit tiring to purposely lose games or to have losing seasons year after year in a Lebron-less team since the XX century. In the long term that won't help attract good players or have a "historic" franchise with pedigree... I don't know,but i think that if you can win 30 games instead of 25, go for that 30. If you can win, well... Win, win, win. Who knows what the future will bring
 

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Well, it is the best draft in years. And the Cavs have been unlucky, somewhat, in that while Garland and Sexton are fine young players, not busts by any means, neither of them are franchise players.

I know the Lotto odds are not what they used to be, but the difference between a 50/50 shot at being in the Top 4, and a 1-in-3 chance of the same will come down to 2-3 more wins. Right now the difference between the third worst record, and the eighth worst, is four wins. And frankly, as we have seen this trade deadline, the Cavaliers have very limited options to improve the team outside the Draft.

It would be very much in the fashion of the past few years to miss out on the Top 5 in a draft when having even the fifth pick could be the difference between finding a cornerstone or another "what exactly do we have here" pick at 6 through 8.

This team is in dire need of real talent, a first-look all-star type player.

I know people will say "tanking doesn't pay off, the rule change undermined that strategy." We'll they aren't wrong, but it isn't the case right now. The season is lost. It's over. Tanking is the only play they have left to improve dramatically moving into next year. And given their Lotto luck the past few years, they need every percent they can get to get into the Top 5.
This is so true. 4 wins will not build a culture more than a top 4 pick.
 

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Well reasoned, but it's a bit tiring to purposely lose games or to have losing seasons year after year in a Lebron-less team since the XX century. In the long term that won't help attract good players or have a "historic" franchise with pedigree... I don't know,but i think that if you can win 30 games instead of 25, go for that 30. If you can win, well... Win, win, win. Who knows what the future will bring

Teams don't consistently win without talent. People have to understand that teams just don't develop into 50 win teams. They either have the talent or they don't. Some franchises are better than others at developing lower 1st Round picks, but it is safe to say that the Cavs are not one of them.

In the end there is very little difference between 30 wins and 25 wins. Team still sucks.

Except the Lottery ramifications.

And it sucks being a small market. It really does, because the NBA stacked things even more in the favor of the flashy teams by reducing the odds. Because in the end, it is the only way the Cavs get marquee talent.

We can fool ourselves into thinking this trade exception, or taking that salary, or gambling on this guy or that guy, will net the future.

95% chance it doesn't.

It would be different if this team was competitive, and could learn from a late push, but they are not there yet.
 

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