2020-2021 Cavs Season General Discussion

[WorldFreeB]

All you can do is shake your head. The guy was really starting to play well.
One injury after another for this team.

 

[CleveRocks]

They are shutting him down do he can be available from the git next year.. I also wonder if insurance pays his salary while he is injured.. might explain lovez extended recovery

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

Kevin Love said this after the loss to the Hornets:

I need to find balance because a large majority of my shots are 3s right now, and that’s not always how I like to play. I’m almost fighting back on it a little bit. But I think we all understand as I continue to feel better, I’ll get in the post.

He's a one-dimensional player right now, pretty much a spot-up 3-point shooter who's only hitting 33.3% since returning. Larry Nance Jr is a one-dimensional player who gives you defense, a little rebounding, and not much else. He's averaging 6.0 ppg this month on 38% from the field after averaging 11.6 ppg on 49.5% in March. That "mystery illness" that put him out for over two weeks has really affected him.

Dean Wade has scored 11 points in his last five games and 89 minutes, taking only 14 shots. After he went 9-for-16 on 3-pointers over two games against Toronto and New Orleans teams have taken note and are now crowding him on the perimeter and not giving him the space to take his shot. Like Love he has no ability to make them pay by blowing by the defender as Garland and Sexton routinely do.

So the power forward position is something of a mess right now. Nance is clearly not himself after losing 20 pounds and being unable to get out of bed for five days. Love is still in the process of trying to get his legs back and "feel better". Wade is now being taken seriously as a 3-point shooter and opponents are no longer letting him have uncontested shots. He hasn't adjusted and I don't know if he can.

Okoro has also fallen off the map, failing to score in double figures in five of his last six games. He's only made 3 of his last 16 from deep.

Now Prince is done so the Cavs are hurting at both forward positions. The good news is center is coming on strong now that Allen seems to be back in the swing and Hartenstein is playing very effectively at both ends. I'm pretty excited about our two young centers.

Sexton and Garland are playing very well offensively. But those two forward positions are really killing the team offensively as Wade, Nance, and Okoro are contributing almost nothing and Love has become a spot-up shooter who isn't shooting very well. But as Nance continues to get stronger after his illness and Love gets his conditioning back I'm hoping for more out of those two. Love is 7-for-17 from deep the last two games after going 3-for-21 the previous three so maybe he's coming on.

 

[2 For The Brew]

Kevin Love said this after the loss to the Hornets:

I need to find balance because a large majority of my shots are 3s right now, and that’s not always how I like to play. I’m almost fighting back on it a little bit. But I think we all understand as I continue to feel better, I’ll get in the post.

He's a one-dimensional player right now, pretty much a spot-up 3-point shooter who's only hitting 33.3% since returning. Larry Nance Jr is a one-dimensional player who gives you defense, a little rebounding, and not much else. He's averaging 6.0 ppg this month on 38% from the field after averaging 11.6 ppg on 49.5% in March. That "mystery illness" that put him out for over two weeks has really affected him.

Dean Wade has scored 11 points in his last five games and 89 minutes, taking only 14 shots. After he went 9-for-16 on 3-pointers over two games against Toronto and New Orleans teams have taken note and are now crowding him on the perimeter and not giving him the space to take his shot. Like Love he has no ability to make them pay by blowing by the defender as Garland and Sexton routinely do.

So the power forward position is something of a mess right now. Nance is clearly not himself after losing 20 pounds and being unable to get out of bed for five days. Love is still in the process of trying to get his legs back and "feel better". Wade is now being taken seriously as a 3-point shooter and opponents are no longer letting him have uncontested shots. He hasn't adjusted and I don't know if he can.

Okoro has also fallen off the map, failing to score in double figures in five of his last six games. He's only made 3 of his last 16 from deep.

Now Prince is done so the Cavs are hurting at both forward positions. The good news is center is coming on strong now that Allen seems to be back in the swing and Hartenstein is playing very effectively at both ends. I'm pretty excited about our two young centers.

Sexton and Garland are playing very well offensively. But those two forward positions are really killing the team offensively as Wade, Nance, and Okoro are contributing almost nothing and Love has become a spot-up shooter who isn't shooting very well. But as Nance continues to get stronger after his illness and Love gets his conditioning back I'm hoping for more out of those two. Love is 7-for-17 from deep the last two games after going 3-for-21 the previous three so maybe he's coming on.

Worth noting that Allen scores either from lobs (usually SexLand) or from the offensive glass. He’s not really an offensive option. Neither is Hartenstein although the man does have some passing skill. There’s not one player we can count on other than SexLand to consistently score. Wade has been exposed as a one dimensional player offensively, Love and Nance aren’t consistently healthy, Okoro is too raw, Prince is inconsistent and now done for the year, Windler has been a major disappointment, Delly can pass but can’t shoot, Cedi has imploded, and the rest are marginal NBA players at best.

Cavaliers did the right thing obtaining Allen and playing him instead of Drummond BUT even though Andre was inefficient he did take some of the scoring load off SexLand and could play defense / get rebounds. Love and Wade have been bad at rebounding (Love looks like a statue out there).

Cavaliers are effectively an expansion team building off draft picks and a few marginal vets. We really had very little when LeBron left and it’s taken time to build a roster. We still have more work to do.

 

[Futuredome]

The fall of Dean Wade since the Pelicans game is sad. The flight of Icarus it was.

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

The fall of Dean Wade since the Pelicans game is sad. The flight of Icarus it was.

Once he proved he could stroke from deep they took that away and so far he hasn't shown anything to counter. I'd like to see them work some two-man games where he sets a pick for Sexton or DG and then pops out for the return pass and the 3 when the guard gets doubled, which they will.

If the defense doesn't double, then CS or DG isolated on a big is good, too.

 

[Nphan]

The fall of Dean Wade since the Pelicans game is sad. The flight of Icarus it was.

Kevin Love took all his minutes. Kevin was afraid Dean was going to take his place

 

[red.]

Collin Sexton (concussion) has been ruled out for Sunday's game against the Wizards.​

Sexton managed to play 34 minutes in Friday's loss to the Hornets, but he apparently suffered a head injury during that game. His absence means even more time on the ball for fellow starter Darius Garland, while there may be room for a player like Brodric Thomas of Lamar Stevens to crack the rotation. Neither Thomas nor Stevens would be worth streaming, regardless of league format.

 

[Comeback kid]

Once he proved he could stroke from deep they took that away and so far he hasn't shown anything to counter. I'd like to see them work some two-man games where he sets a pick for Sexton or DG and then pops out for the return pass and the 3 when the guard gets doubled, which they will.

If the defense doesn't double, then CS or DG isolated on a big is good, too.

If you’re not allowed to drive it how do you counter being only allowed to catch and shoot it?

 

[Rich]

I dunno.

The team sucks but I think that's been obvious for a while.

I'm getting excited that even in their bad games Sexton and Garland produce. Im believing more and more that they can work longterm.

 

[Dr No]

After the last quarter vs the Hornets, I decided we look like a team who is about done mentally and physically for the year. I’m sure Garland, Sexton and Okoro are simply tired - even with injuries, they’ve logged hard minutes in this compressed season and none of them are playing for contracts. The vets know is there is nothing left to play for. There are few or no fans in the stands to bring energy. Our offense has little movement and our defense is uninspired, I was hoping that we’d use this last month to build toward next year, but it looks to me like we don’t have much left in the tank.

 

[inliner311]

I dunno.

The team sucks but I think that's been obvious for a while.

I'm getting excited that even in their bad games Sexton and Garland produce. Im believing more and more that they can work longterm.

I do think the path for them to work long term is widening. I'm still not sure that Okoro is either our starting SF of the future or the 3rd guard to make Sexton and Garland truly work.

Last year I thought we could be one pick away from having a solid group to go forward with and this draft could have been an Okoro type pick in the teens. I think all that has fallen apart and we are more like two drafts away now. Cedi's complete regression to having to be bench, Windler getting hurt again, no KPJ, and Okoro being a big developmental project all adds up to a step backwards from a year ago even with Sexton and Garland developing.

Beyond our own 1st round pick, I think Koby needs to try to work some magic and get a late first or early 2nd round picks in this draft to take some more swings to get some useful players. Maybe that can net us a taller guard that can help make Sexton and Garland work or just a swing at adding wing depth.

 

[Henry Tuttle]

I feel like I’m watching different games from everyone. Garland is absolutely electric and it feels like he’s still just scratching the surface. Sexton is excelling off the ball. Okoro is exciting just based on the virtue of Garland/Sexton’s trajectories and the way the Cavs have shown they evaluate talent.

All of this, but they are still going to be well-positioned in the lottery for another piece they obviously need. This is basically best case scenario at this point of the year. The Charlotte game was tremendous in my mind.

 

[Cavatt]

I feel like I’m watching different games from everyone. Garland is absolutely electric and it feels like he’s still just scratching the surface. Sexton is excelling off the ball. Okoro is exciting just based on the virtue of Garland/Sexton’s trajectories and the way the Cavs have shown they evaluate talent.

All of this, but they are still going to be well-positioned in the lottery for another piece they obviously need. This is basically best case scenario at this point of the year. The Charlotte game was tremendous in my mind.

Id sure as hell rather this scenario where the youth are looking consistent but our vets freshly back from injury aren't up to speed. Better than vets winning games and the kids sucking.

I hope they look like they are figuring it out in the last few games

 

[ryanf]

Id sure as hell rather this scenario where the youth are looking consistent but our vets freshly back from injury aren't up to speed. Better than vets winning games and the kids sucking.

I hope they look like they are figuring it out in the last few games

This. Next year the kids should have a bigger voice and hold the vets accountable.