Good shooter, but Forbes probably won’t be worth the contract he signs. It would be great if Windler could step up and give us something.According to a recent report, the Cleveland Cavaliers may have shooting guard Bryn Forbes on their radar this offseason. Forbes' game is arguably unpolished in some areas, but there is no denying that he is a lethal shooter.cavaliersnation.com
Good shooter, but Forbes probably won’t be worth the contract he signs. It would be great if Windler could step up and give us something.
I’m 48 and I can play better defense than McBuckets.Doug McBuckets is the best (realistic) wing on the market right? I mean I would love to get DDR to be a point forward next to our lineup but theres just no way he would sign for the MLE with a team thats not contending. I actually don't hate Doug's fit with our roster. He doesn't help the D at all but he is a good shooter and versatile offensive weapon that we could use to get more scoring pop. If you want a defensive minded wing...we can always dig up RHJ or MKG?
Prince was overpaid relative to his contract. That means we'd have had to add picks or take back an even worse contract to net positive value. The kind of guys not just you but everyone else here and every team in the NBA wants -- two-way wings who can knock down shots -- just aren't available for as crappy an asset as Prince's contract. We only got Rubio -- who is a better player than Prince -- was because he was making even more money than Prince, and we sweetened the pot with cash and a second-rounder. Further, whomever we would get at a two way wing would have to be good enough to justify taking minutes from Okoro, Nance, and Windler at the 3, and two of those guys need as many developmental minutes as they can.
There's no need to rush this. Rubio's contract is larger than was Prince's, and if you're talking sign and trade, that opens up more possibilities because it is an expiring. And though I think you have decided that Okoro isn't an SF, I don't thing the Cavs have concluded that yet. They want to give him those minutes this year to see how that goes. If it goes well, then we've got our two-way 3. If it doesn't look like it will work, then we'll obviously be moving Okoro to SG, and likely moving Sexton. And in that case, we'll then have Rubio's large expiring, Sexton, and whatever additional assets we want to toss into that bag to get a better two-way wing than we could have gotten with just the crap we gave up for Rubio.
We had to get a solid veteran PG. That's an even bigger need for this season than is an SF because we only had 1 1/2 PG's on the roster, and you simply can't go into a season that way. It's how we ended up last season, and that was a disaster.
I doubt it.. his defensive numbers are about average.. the only guy on our team with average or better defense is lamar stevens..I’m 48 and I can play better defense than McBuckets.
The other option I could see is taking a cheap flyer on a guy like Winslow. Again, not a shooter but given his recent injury history, I bet we could get him for a pretty cheap deal (2/10 maybe?).
MLE could have been used for a backup PG. They are still looking at point guards in Forbes and Caruso. The MLE is 9.5 million.
Prince's contract was 12.5 this year but 15 million for 2021/22 which would be the number we would have used in a sign and trade with his contract going out. Yes assets would have had to be included but it's opportunity costs of one transaction over the other and how Koby decided to use them. MLE exception might have gotten us a lesser backup PG but the 2nd round pick and Prince's contract may have open the door for a better wing via sign and trade.
I don't think either one of those guys is as good as Rubio, and there is absolutely no guarantee we could have signed either of them. The Lakers can (and likely will) match Caruso for anything at or less than the MLE, and Forbes 1) lacks length, and so pairs poorly with Sexton and Garland, and 2) isn't a point guard anyway. He's a worse distributor than is Sexton, and is really more of a shrimpy SG than even a combo guard. If we'd wait on Rubio, someone else nabs him, and then Caruso stays with the Lakers, we'd be completely screwed.
I don't think there is a universe in which Prince's contract (which is a net negative) and a second round pick get us a wing that is anything more than a 10th player on the roster. You also should consider the possibility (almost 100%) that Koby did look into trades for a good wing and found there just weren't any takers. Remember, we know that the Cavs made Sexton available for trade offers, and I'd bet my left nut that 2-way wings were something in which we'd have been interested. We'd have had Prince's salary to help match as well. So what that tells me is that Sexton +Prince + 2nd round pick wasn't enough to get us a wing that Koby believed to be worth it.
It's extraordinarily easy to criticize a trade by assuming there was some better trade out there that could have been made. But you've at least got to get specific about who you thought was available, and why they'd have taken just Prince and a 2nd when nobody apparently was willing to give us what we wanted even when we tossed Sexton into the deal.
Agree with all of this except I think the Cavs should sign Forbes. The Cavs should sign anyone who can reliably make a three point shot at this point. The only thing I didn't like about the Rubio trade was the fact that we shipped out our best three point shooter to make it happen.
I mean sure we can go dig up Jason Kapono or Andrew Goudelock. I don't think we can just sign any rando 3pt shooter if they are hard to fit otherwise. We already have one of those in Dotson. I would prefer we get guys who can actually play. I think our shooting this year will be a lot better from internal improvement anyway, its not like these players are static over the offseason. Healthy Windler, higher volume of attempts from Sexland, Mobley, Love for 20 mpg in 15 games, and Okoro with an offseason of practice tells me this is not going to be as big an issue as you think.Agree with all of this except I think the Cavs should sign Forbes. The Cavs should sign anyone who can reliably make a three point shot at this point. The only thing I didn't like about the Rubio trade was the fact that we shipped out our best three point shooter to make it happen.