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Yeah, he's a shooting guard, he would be competing for mins at SG with the players I mentioned. I didn't say anything about him playing SF.

No -- you just said that the minutes he would play would come from those three guys. Both Windler and Osman are listed as SF's, and considering that Garland, Sexton, Rubio, and Okoro all would get minutes at SG before they would, the only way minutes at SG they'd have to give up to Forbes in the first place is if there are injuries to those first 4 guys. Dotson likely was only looking at injury minutes or perhaps 5-10 mpg anyway at SG.

I just don't see the minutes at guard for a guy we'd be paying the MLE.
 
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If we add a shooter on the front court (McBuckets) that would spell the end of Windler’s Cavalier career
It wouldn’t impact Windler at all in terms of spots on a roster. Windler can play both the 2 and 3 and he makes basically no money.

His health will determine his longevity on this roster. His performance will determine his playing time.

Should we count on him? It would be naive to count on him given that he’s played about 30 games in two years. But if he is healthy this offseason and is healthy this season, he absolutely has a chance to help this team.

He wasn’t some injured guy in college and he even played some power forward there, rebounding with the best of them.

If at the end of his rookie deal, he’s yet to earn a spot in the rotation, that may be the end of it, but until then, there is no downside to keeping him around.
 

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It wouldn’t impact Windler at all in terms of spots on a roster. Windler can play both the 2 and 3 and he makes basically no money.

His health will determine his longevity on this roster. His performance will determine his playing time.

Should we count on him? It would be naive to count on him given that he’s played about 30 games in two years. But if he is healthy this offseason and is healthy this season, he absolutely has a chance to help this team.

He wasn’t some injured guy in college and he even played some power forward there, rebounding with the best of them.

If at the end of his rookie deal, he’s yet to earn a spot in the rotation, that may be the end of it, but until then, there is no downside to keeping him around.

Right. If he stays healthy and hits shots like he showed he could do in college, he's a better player than McDermott. When he was healthy and got some playing time in late Feb/early March, he lit it up and looked great. He hit 21-38 from 3, and was rebounding well and playing good defense. Obviously, he's got to show he can stay healthy, though. But it's obviously his last shot here if he can't stay healthy.
 

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No -- you just said that the minutes he would play would come from those three guys. Both Windler and Osman are listed as SF's, and considering that Garland, Sexton, Rubio, and Okoro all would get minutes at SG before they would, the only way minutes at SG they'd have to give up to Forbes in the first place is if there are injuries to those first 4 guys. Dotson likely was only looking at injury minutes or perhaps 5-10 mpg anyway at SG.

I just don't see the minutes at guard for a guy we'd be paying the MLE.
Not trying to argue semantics with you. I don't think we really have any SFs on the roster. I view Cedi and Windler as guards who can log mins at SF and they're both currently bench players. Okoro is the best option to start at SF but I view him as a guard too.

The way I see it, Windler and Osman are competing for backup SF mins as well as backup SG mins. If the Cavs added Forbes he would compete for backup SG mins and would probably get them. Forbes shot 45% on three's last season with 5 attempts per game, he would be our best shooter, I don't think he would be a bad addition.
 

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I kind of liked Hartenstein as a backup big. After drafting Mobley I understand our front court gets a little crowded but still would have liked to extend the QO to Hart and at least have the option to match whatever another team offers.

It’s also likely he’s heading overseas though and our front office knows that.
 

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I am glad to see the RCF consensus is that Okoro is an SG. I won’t fault Altman for taking the BPA and causing a logjam. The Sexton is sixth man idea is intriguing. But are they gonna end up cashing him out and keeping him in that role or ship him out?

i also have a hard time seeing Okoro performing well enough to justify keeping Sexton on the bench for extended periods of time. Rubio only complicates this more. Though I like him a lot in a bench role.

it’s gonna be interesting.
 

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I am glad to see the RCF consensus is that Okoro is an SG. I won’t fault Altman for taking the BPA and causing a logjam. The Sexton is sixth man idea is intriguing. But are they gonna end up cashing him out and keeping him in that role or ship him out?

i also have a hard time seeing Okoro performing well enough to justify keeping Sexton on the bench for extended periods of time. Rubio only complicates this more. Though I like him a lot in a bench role.

it’s gonna be interesting.
Yeah somebody is going eventually.
 

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Hartenstein is only 22 and had a really good season with the Cavs as a backup.

I don't understand the decision. He is an asset and the market would have dictated the price as a RFA.
I agree. Extend him a qualifying offer and you could simply fail to match an offer you didn’t like.

Or he takes it and you want rid of him, I’m sure 10+ teams would be willing to simply absorb him for a late 2nd round pick.
 
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