2020-21 Offseason Discussion

[bigfoot5415]

It is. It factors in no options being picked up. Only buyouts.

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So when I look at Spotrac it looks alot lower. Whats inflating this number?

 

[Steve_424]

Would the Mets trade Dom Smith and Brandon Nimmo for Lindor and Hand?

 

[Kevalier]

Here’s the Lindor to the Mets trade that was validated on Baseball Trade Values:

Francisco Lindor to the Mets for JD Davis, Amed Rosario and Junior Santos (19 year old RHP)

JD Davis is coming off a 117 wRC+ season and a breakout campaign the prior season when he was a 2.4 fWAR player with a wRC+ of 136. Rosario has yet to produce anything above average offensively in the big leagues, but did have a 2.7 fWAR season in 2019. Santos is a hard thrower at 6’8 with a 40 FV according to Fangraphs. With this deal, here’s a guess at what the lineup would look like:

2B- Hernandez (The Indians re-sign him on a one year deal with the money saved from Lindor, Santana, Hand, etc)
LF- Davis
3B- Ramirez
DH-Reyes
1B- Naylor
RF-Luplow/Johnson
SS-Rosario
C-Perez/Hedges
CF-Mercado/Zimmer

 

[avs2000]

Roberto-5mill
Hand-9mill
Carlos-17mill
Lindor-17 mill (minus what they take on)
Domingo-4.75mill
Leon-2mill
Oliver-3mill


The question becomes what they do with that $57.75 million they would save.

Bank it. Lol

 

[xmasbuck]

Would the Mets trade Dom Smith and Brandon Nimmo for Lindor and Hand?

1st - do options have to be picked up 3 days after the end of the ws this season?

2nd - if they want to sign and trade hand, they would have to have a deal in place pretty quickly which includes finding a team willing to pay hand 10 mil for next season and still be willing to give the indians a player in exchange for hand - imo, that would exclude a vast majority of the teams

 

[Steve_424]

Here’s the Lindor to the Mets trade that was validated on Baseball Trade Values:

Francisco Lindor to the Mets for JD Davis, Amed Rosario and Junior Santos (19 year old RHP)

JD Davis is coming off a 117 wRC+ season and a breakout campaign the prior season when he was a 2.4 fWAR player with a wRC+ of 136. Rosario has yet to produce anything above average offensively in the big leagues, but did have a 2.7 fWAR season in 2019. Santos is a hard thrower at 6’8 with a 40 FV according to Fangraphs. With this deal, here’s a guess at what the lineup would look like:

2B- Hernandez (The Indians re-sign him on a one year deal with the money saved from Lindor, Santana, Hand, etc)
LF- Davis
3B- Ramirez
DH-Reyes
1B- Naylor
RF-Luplow/Johnson
SS-Rosario
C-Perez/Hedges
CF-Mercado/Zimmer

Rosario lost his starting job and is arbitration-eligible this offseason - not sure I'm interested.

I'm asking for 2 of Smith/Davis/Nimmo in any deal.

 

[Steve_424]

1st - do options have to be picked up 3 days after the end of the ws this season?

2nd - if they want to sign and trade hand, they would have to have a deal in place pretty quickly which includes finding a team willing to pay hand 10 mil for next season and still be willing to give the indians a player in exchange for hand - imo, that would exclude a vast majority of the teams

Maybe. Despite last night, he had a fantastic season and back-end RP on 1 year deals are attractive to many teams. The Dodgers gave Blake Treinen 1 year, $10 M after a miserable 2019 season. My guess is the Indians scoped out his value at the deadline to see if there would be interest.

 

[xmasbuck]

Maybe. Despite last night, he had a fantastic season and back-end RP on 1 year deals are attractive to many teams. The Dodgers gave Blake Treinen 1 year, $10 M after a miserable 2019 season. My guess is the Indians scoped out his value at the deadline to see if there would be interest.

dodgers certainly have some $ tied up in their bullpen -- still, that was a free agent signing - LA didnt have to give up a prospect, or even a body

 

[EdMonix11]

I'm asking for 2 of Smith/Davis/Nimmo in any deal.

Indians would be getting one pre-arbitration year out of all three of those guys. Not the Indians front office MO....

The Indians FO has moved some huge pieces recently- Bauer, Clevinger and Kluber- and they’ve all fetched a similar return. So I think we have a pretty good idea of what they’re looking to do trade-wise: young ML talent with very little service time, solid but unspectacular (maybe underrated) upper minors players and high upside lower minors prospects. It also seems like volume matters... i.e. four pieces as a return are better than two.

I expect a similar return for Frankie

 

[Kevalier]

Indians would be getting one pre-arbitration year out of all three of those guys. Not the Indians front office MO....

The Indians FO has moved some huge pieces recently- Bauer, Clevinger and Kluber- and they’ve all fetched a similar return. So I think we have a pretty good idea of what they’re looking to do trade-wise: young ML talent with very little service time, solid but unspectacular (maybe underrated) upper minors players and high upside lower minors prospects. It also seems like volume matters... i.e. four pieces as a return are better than two.

I expect a similar return for Frankie

Perhaps Andres Gimenez, JD Davis and a high-upside, lower minors pitcher gets the deal done.

 

[Chris]

Indians would be getting one pre-arbitration year out of all three of those guys. Not the Indians front office MO....

The Indians FO has moved some huge pieces recently- Bauer, Clevinger and Kluber- and they’ve all fetched a similar return. So I think we have a pretty good idea of what they’re looking to do trade-wise: young ML talent with very little service time, solid but unspectacular (maybe underrated) upper minors players and high upside lower minors prospects. It also seems like volume matters... i.e. four pieces as a return are better than two.

I expect a similar return for Frankie

Maybe so, but at some point blue chip talent is needed. If Lindor doesn’t fetch it, that will set this franchise back.

 

[Kevalier]

Maybe so, but at some point blue chip talent is needed. If Lindor doesn’t fetch it, that will set this franchise back.

I would temper your expectations on the return, bud. It's a depressed market for one, and Lindor only having one year of control left is crucial in this era where service time length is the ultimate currency. He also didn't help his trade value a whole lot with the definition of an average season offensively (100 wRC+) although his defensive metrics were very favorable. I would be quite surprised if a top 50 prospect is involved in any Lindor deal.

 

[daddywags]

I doubt they do this due to budget constraints but it could be a good move to pick up Hand's option and look to trade him to a contender at the deadline. We'd eat 3/5s (roughly) of his salary but could get a prime return from a contender missing that back end piece for the stretch run.

 

[EdMonix11]

Maybe so, but at some point blue chip talent is needed. If Lindor doesn’t fetch it, that will set this franchise back.

Uhhh the Indians have blue chip talent and it's on the way. Nolan Jones, Tyler Freeman, Owen Miller and Daniel Johnson are knocking on the door. We're probably still a year or two away from Gabriel Arias. I'm excited for Miller because he's the archetype the Indians have had success in developing in the past and he's what tipped the scales back in the Padres favor after the Indians told them they were out on Clevinger.

George Valara, Brayan Rocchio, Angel Martinez, Junior Sanquinton, Aaron Bracho and Bo Naylor in the pipeline after that.

We don't even need to talk about pitching, honestly. We're good in that department.... Though I will say I would really like to see Sam Hentges in the Indians pen next season.

I really don't think the Indians are hurting for position-player talent. Sure, it might look like it on the surface level (MLB) but it's like a puzzle-- you don't want to give up on certain guys in the MLB, you don't want to block certain guys in the minors, manipulating service time for others, etc.

Overall the organization is in fantastic shape....

 

[OptimusPrime]

They should have traded Lindor last offseason. Now I think the play would be to trade Ramirez before he has another down year. They should be able to get some real prospects for him instead of the shit they've been getting.

There's nothing they can do to be a championship contender next season. The offense is horrific. If they trade Lindor for more guys that aren't ready or just aren't good, you're going to have what, Ramirez as you're only legitimate major league bat? Reyes is ok too I suppose. There's no way to fix that unless Dolan wants to spend a couple hundred million.

Not to mention the pitching. Obviously Bieber had a great year, but even that was a bit of a mirage. The Indians do an amazing job of getting everything they can out of guys that have mediocre stuff. Then they get to the postseason and they face good offenses that won't chase breaking balls out of the zone and make you beat them with your straight 93 mph fastball. And since they can't, the shitty offense has no chance to keep up.

So trade Ramirez. Trade Lindor. Blow it up. Try to get some young high end talent, not just guys they can make work with their organizational infrastructure.