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In addition to the 100k, the Rays are throwing in a used dunk tank and ice cream machine.
 
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7th, 8th and 9th hitters for the 2020 season for the Tribe routinely included Oscar Mercado, Roberto Perez and Delino DeShields.. not exactly the bottom third of "Murderer's Row"...

Contrast that with Manny Ramirez, Sanday Alomar Jr and Jim Thome hitting 7, 8 and 9, respectively in 1994..

More than just a bit of a difference.. These kinds of hitters come along infrequently... but NEVER come along if the front office of the team is concerned if Jake Bauers or Bobby Bradley are given a chance first.. The three guys who have the most value.. will help the club win more games than they lose.. A five hundred club of uninteresting players who are chomping at the bit to leave via free agency.. isn't going to draw flies if they were covered in shit.. The time for moves.. is now..

Our 2016 Game 7 lineup featured the following at 7-8-9:

7-Rajai Davis
8-Coco Crisp
9-Roberto Perez

If you're waiting for a lineup like the 90's team again you're going to be waiting for a long time.
 

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Our 2016 Game 7 lineup featured the following at 7-8-9:

7-Rajai Davis
8-Coco Crisp
9-Roberto Perez

If you're waiting for a lineup like the 90's team again you're going to be waiting for a long time.
yes.. I'm waiting for a 90's like lineup... absolutely !..
 

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More signs of the coming nuclear winter for MLB.

i said it months ago. MLB should have used all this down time to completely redo the CBA they had with the players. Hard caps both high and low, revenue sharing, the whole 9 yards. Instead baseball as a whole is going to become more and more irrelevant. You are about to see 15-20 teams have to massively slash their payroll just to stay afloat. While big markets are going to be able to buy up whatever big names they want for pennies on the dollar. Teams like the indians will literally have no other choice than to trade someone like Lindor for scraps compared to what he would have commanded if COVID hadnt hit.

Baseball is in an absolute world of hurt and they arent doing a damn thing about it.
 

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Reminds me of the scene from Moneyball. Maybe Antonetti / Chernoff scored some soda too?
CA/MC like to keep the money invested in the club !!
 

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i said it months ago. MLB should have used all this down time to completely redo the CBA they had with the players. Hard caps both high and low, revenue sharing, the whole 9 yards. Instead baseball as a whole is going to become more and more irrelevant. You are about to see 15-20 teams have to massively slash their payroll just to stay afloat. While big markets are going to be able to buy up whatever big names they want for pennies on the dollar. Teams like the indians will literally have no other choice than to trade someone like Lindor for scraps compared to what he would have commanded if COVID hadnt hit.

Baseball is in an absolute world of hurt and they arent doing a damn thing about it.
Oh my.. Armageddon (not the movie) all over again !!
 

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More signs of the coming nuclear winter for MLB.


But I was told the Indians were the only one's cutting $
 

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Well lets see how many guys Cleveland lets go!

Also @petes999 @MadThinker88 @Gson

If we have an open roster spot, do you know of any interesting Rule 5 possible guys to keep an eye on? I know we definitely need a lefty bullpen arm
 

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A few thoughts of questionable value.

1) Its too early to be totally pessimistic about the immediate and long term state of baseball, but admittedly it doesn't look good. Obviously, some franchises (Mets) and some players (Trout) are in better shape than others, but an overwhelming number are in basically the same boat that is taking on water.

There are more available players than a few wealthy teams can put on a roster. There is gonna be a large supply of relatively cheap labor, and much of it will be quality.

And even the wealthy franchises are run by corporate bean counters who demand to see profit margins in line with investments

Lets wait until it plays out. Both teams and players are gonna want some relief.

2) The fun of speculation aside, for several reasons, JRAM isn't going anywhere.

3) The loss of Cimber may be cheered around here, but he and Oliver..and probably others...have to be replaced by something more than warm bodies. Having hot shot youngsters in the minors is no guarantee, and usually less than 50/50 propositions.

Names like Garner, Adams, Armstrong, Joe Colon, CC Lee, Giovanni Soto come to mind.
 

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A few thoughts of questionable value.

1) Its too early to be totally pessimistic about the immediate and long term state of baseball, but admittedly it doesn't look good. Obviously, some franchises (Mets) and some players (Trout) are in better shape than others, but an overwhelming number are in basically the same boat that is taking on water.

There are more available players than a few wealthy teams can put on a roster. There is gonna be a large supply of relatively cheap labor, and much of it will be quality.

And even the wealthy franchises are run by corporate bean counters who demand to see profit margins in line with investments

Lets wait until it plays out. Both teams and players are gonna want some relief.

2) The fun of speculation aside, for several reasons, JRAM isn't going anywhere.

3) The loss of Cimber may be cheered around here, but he and Oliver..and probably others...have to be replaced by something more than warm bodies. Having hot shot youngsters in the minors is no guarantee, and usually less than 50/50 propositions.

Names like Garner, Adams, Armstrong, Joe Colon, CC Lee, Giovanni Soto come to mind.

I hate our lack of lefties in the bullpen, if they want Logan, Moss, Hentges to all be starters next season, that leaves us currently with Nelson and Gose as the only two lefty relievers in camp. Also losing Perez and Hand won't be as easy to replace as people think production wise.

Cimber had average production honestly, we should be able to replace him. Right handed pitchers should be solid at the end of the day.
 

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Well lets see how many guys Cleveland lets go!

Also @petes999 @MadThinker88 @Gson

If we have an open roster spot, do you know of any interesting Rule 5 possible guys to keep an eye on? I know we definitely need a lefty bullpen arm
IDK if he's been excluded from his teams' 40 man.. but Jhon Torres (St. Louis Cardinals, I think) would look good putting his Indians uniform back on.. His power bat and contact and arm are his best assets..
 

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i said it months ago. MLB should have used all this down time to completely redo the CBA they had with the players. Hard caps both high and low, revenue sharing, the whole 9 yards. Instead baseball as a whole is going to become more and more irrelevant. You are about to see 15-20 teams have to massively slash their payroll just to stay afloat. While big markets are going to be able to buy up whatever big names they want for pennies on the dollar. Teams like the indians will literally have no other choice than to trade someone like Lindor for scraps compared to what he would have commanded if COVID hadnt hit.

Baseball is in an absolute world of hurt and they arent doing a damn thing about it.
Baseball has been around for 200+ years, has survived more "pandemics" and "mismanagement" then this bump in the road (a couple world wars, a great depression and more than a few player scandles) and will be around far longer than you or I are to watch it.

The "sky is not falling".

It is truly a remarkable game that always seems to be full of new surprises and that is why it has and will continue to survive for the many generations of baseball fans it will see off into the future.
 

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Baseball has been around for 200+ years, has survived more "pandemics" and "mismanagement" then this bump in the road (a couple world wars, a great depression and more than a few player scandles) and will be around far longer than you or I are to watch it.

The "sky is not falling".

It is truly a remarkable game that always seems to be full of new surprises and that is why it has and will continue to survive for the many generations of baseball fans it will see off into the future.
oh baseball will be around in the future. However the point i was trying to make is this is going to destroy whatever competitiveness was left from small market teams. Its going to take years for small market teams to recover financially.
 
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