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But don’t they know they’re a small/mid market. I thought it was impossible for those teams to pay players

I don't really put Tatis Jr. in the same group as the others. The Padres are paying for his age 22-34 seasons. If Lindor, say, asks for the same deal you're paying for his age 27-41 seasons.

The Padres gave up the years of paying him less to basically ensure locking him up through his prime without committing to bloating post-prime salary amounts. Really smart deal.

If only Lindor would've seriously considered an extension after 2016...
 

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I don't really put Tatis Jr. in the same group as the others. The Padres are paying for his age 22-34 seasons. If Lindor, say, asks for the same deal you're paying for his age 27-41 seasons.

The Padres gave up the years of paying him less to basically ensure locking him up through his prime without committing to bloating post-prime salary amounts. Really smart deal.

If only Lindor would've seriously considered an extension after 2016...

This is honestly what I wanted the Indians to do back in 2016.

I believe I may have posted about in on here a few times, but if they had the opportunity to front-load some of the total payout through the life of his arbitration years, believing that you'd be able to afford it better if the AAV is more consistent throughout.

But alas...Lindor and his agents didn't really want that. Cleveland ain't San Diego, for better or worse. Its entirely possible he saw himself playing in a more affable market for himself in time, which is his right.
 

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But don’t they know they’re a small/mid market. I thought it was impossible for those teams to pay players
SD has over 1 million more people living in the city compared to Cleveland, and almost 1.3 million more in the metro area. Doesn't sound like much, but it's around a 50% hike over our metro population.

What really matters is people showing up to games. SD last made the post season in 2006. Since then, their attendance has been under 2 million 1 time. In that same time, our attendance has been over 2 million 3 times. We have averaged 1.749 million per season with 5 post season appearances in that time, where they have averaged 2.260 million without making the post season.
 
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I'm a San Diego native but left in my mid teens - the Padres will always have a soft spot in my heart. I've been to a bunch of games when they shared "The Murph" with the Chargers - I doubt there were many more that 5K in stands for some of those midweek day games (you could sit wherever). I'm glad to see the Padres go for it, and I hope they put it to the Dodgers (a pretty tall task).
 

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SD has over 1 million more people living in the city compared to Cleveland, and almost 1.3 million more in the metro area. Doesn't sound like much, but it's around a 50% hike over our metro population.

What really matters is people showing up to games. SD last made the post season in 2006. Since then, their attendance has been under 2 million 1 time. In that same time, our attendance has been over 2 million 3 times. We have averaged 1.749 million per season with 5 post season appearances in that time, where they have averaged 2.260 million without making the post season.
You can't really compare the two markets - San Diego is a destination city, and that's why there were sometimes more rival fans at Charger games... The teams are in competition with the weather for the locals, and season ticket holder could get a premium for reselling their seats. I'm sure the amount of tourist and visiting team's fans sales has a lot to do with the discrepancy.
 

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You can't really compare the two markets - San Diego is a destination city, and that's why there were sometimes more rival fans at Charger games... The teams are in competition with the weather for the locals, and season ticket holder could get a premium for reselling their seats. I'm sure the amount of tourist and visiting team's fans sales has a lot to do with the discrepancy.
...but the money still spends, of course. :cool:
 

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I'm glad for Tatis. Im happy for the Padres fans...now.

And I'm happy that the Indians aren't paying Lindor that kind of money long term...esp with a full no trad6e clause.

While it keeps Tatis in a Padres uniform during his productive years, the contract also ties a huge rock around the orgs neck down the road.

You can say that Trout has been 'worth' every dollar he has earned, and use all kind of stats, like WAR, to back it up. But in terms of winning enough games to make the playoffs, he hasn't been worth sh*t.

The Angels have already paid him $153 mil. They will pay him $37 mil per year for the next ten years. His contract alone is one of the poorest allocations of resources in baseball....and thats while he is producing at HOF levels. Imagine what that contract becomes when he suffers the inevitable drop off.

Back to poor allocation of resources..take any of the huge long term contracts out there today.

Would you rather have one of those player-contracts, or would you rather have our rotation-contracts?

Our rotation has been worth a ton more than Trout at a much lower cost since 2013, even though Trout was still pre arby back then. It will remain so.

A lot of fans label the Dolans as cheap...and now too poor to own a baseball team.

I'd like to see them be able to spend more money, obviously. But I think they are much closer to SMART than cheap.
 

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You can't really compare the two markets - San Diego is a destination city, and that's why there were sometimes more rival fans at Charger games... The teams are in competition with the weather for the locals, and season ticket holder could get a premium for reselling their seats. I'm sure the amount of tourist and visiting team's fans sales has a lot to do with the discrepancy.
Pssht, try telling the Blue Jays fans that come down every year and start fights that CLE is not a destination city on par with San Diego and Miami.
 

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I'm glad for Tatis. Im happy for the Padres fans...now.

And I'm happy that the Indians aren't paying Lindor that kind of money long term...esp with a full no trad6e clause.

While it keeps Tatis in a Padres uniform during his productive years, the contract also ties a huge rock around the orgs neck down the road.

You can say that Trout has been 'worth' every dollar he has earned, and use all kind of stats, like WAR, to back it up. But in terms of winning enough games to make the playoffs, he hasn't been worth sh*t.

The Angels have already paid him $153 mil. They will pay him $37 mil per year for the next ten years. His contract alone is one of the poorest allocations of resources in baseball....and thats while he is producing at HOF levels. Imagine what that contract becomes when he suffers the inevitable drop off.

Back to poor allocation of resources..take any of the huge long term contracts out there today.

Would you rather have one of those player-contracts, or would you rather have our rotation-contracts?

Our rotation has been worth a ton more than Trout at a much lower cost since 2013, even though Trout was still pre arby back then. It will remain so.

A lot of fans label the Dolans as cheap...and now too poor to own a baseball team.

I'd like to see them be able to spend more money, obviously. But I think they are much closer to SMART than cheap.
 

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Naquin signing a minor league deal with the Reds, with an invite to their big league camp.
 

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There are so many ways to measure wealth.

But every recent source I can find lists the wealth of the entire Dolan family at around $5.5 billion, the vast majority of which belongs to the Charles Dolan branch. That branch owns Cablevision, the Knicks, the Rangers, Madison Square Garden and its cable network.

Paul is a relatively poor cousin worth nowhere close to a billion, unless he sells the club. The Indians are his only major asset. His other sources of income are, in terms of the stratosphere of major league sports, meager.

Of course, all of this is beyond the grasp of peons like me. But in his 'club', he is a relative pauper.

Over the years a lot of fans have wished that a guy like Mark Cuban would buy the team. THEN we'd be a real contender, because he would spend a LOT of money.

Cuban is worth about $4.5 billion. He has owned the Mavs since 2000. In the 21 seasons since he has won one title...2011...one conference championship, and two other division titles. Since he plays on a level playing field with a salary cap and revenue sharing , all he has to do to win is be smarter.

What do you think this org would accomplish on a level playing field with a salary cap and revenue sharing? It would win a lot more than the Mavs.

The point is that money may be important, but a elite FO is more so. The dream is that a really rich guy would buy the team, sit back, and give the incumbent FO a lot of cash to spend, and let them do their thing, without interfering.

But that is only a dream. Its not close to reality. Rich people don't spend a dime, without strings attached...esp millions and millions of dollars. They have to stick their noses...and their accountants noses...into everything.

Cleveland fans should know that better than anybody. In 1961 a television promotional genius (which he was) from New York City bought the most successful organization in pro football. Unfortunately for everybody involved, he couldn't keep his hands off the football end, which he knew nothing about. Northeast Ohio knows all about what happened after that. He won one championship with Paul Browns team immediately after his firing, and the whole thing then went down the tube.

That was in 1963. Football in Cleveland has never recovered...and its been over half a century.
 

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The Padres now have a billion dollar infield.
(Actually a little less, but over $800 million.)
 

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Your are a passionate guy Cats but you make a lot of assumptions. It is beyond clear different owners spent differently. Paul is a penny pincher, simple as that.

You cannot compare Basketball to baseball completely different animals.
 
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