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Fuck the NCAA, man. The entrenched paternalism of outfits like this, and the sycophants who "listen to the players" right up until they say something they disagree with, don't deserve the greatness of collegiate athletics.

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So if Big Ten cancels, and other conferences don’t... does this fuck us in recruiting? Just curious if anyone has perspective on actual football implications because the politics and corona implications are being hashed to death.
Ohio State will almost certainly go independent and seek out a conference to play in 2020.


Detroit Free Press reporting the season has been cancelled:
 

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Ohio State will almost certainly go independent and seek out a conference to play in 2020.
in that scenario I assume you are saying. Which is far from a given? (I assume its more likely all conferences cancel)

Didnt OSU allegedly vote against playing?
 

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in that scenario I assume you are saying. Which is far from a given? (I assume its more likely all conferences cancel)

Didnt OSU allegedly vote against playing?
Yes, but should the dynamics change where someone other than the conference will pony up for rapid testing, bubble, path to playing, I'd expect that vote to change.

It really all comes down to execs and administrators not wanting to pony up the cost of putting on football, and suppressing the organized voice of the players.


EDIT: Up until this weekend, when the players began to organize and call for comprehensive testing protocols, the season was never in doubt. Once the players spoke out in an organized way, every exec and administrator panicked, and this is the result.
 

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Yes, but should the dynamics change where someone other than the conference will pony up for rapid testing, bubble, path to playing, I'd expect that vote to change.

It really all comes down to execs and administrators not wanting to pony up the cost of putting on football, and suppressing the organized voice of the players.


EDIT: Up until this weekend, when the players began to organize and call for comprehensive testing protocols, the season was never in doubt. Once the players spoke out in an organized way, every exec and administrator panicked, and this is the result.
I would think potential liability/long term issues outweigh even the more immediate "bubble"/rapid testing costs.
 

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It's as if these universities have a bunch of scientists on staff making arguments against a few player-athlete opinions or something.
The athletes aren't pulling these protocols and procedural demands out of thin air...


They could simply look to other leagues who have done this successfully. Or, more broadly, other countries who have done well to mitigate and contain the virus, some of whom are now even allowing fans back at games.

But alas...
 

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The conference allowed teams to practice, released a schedule, etc.

Then, all of a sudden, when players demanded greater safety conditions and protocols be met as they moved closer to organizing as laborers, suddenly the conference cancelled the season.

If we're blaming anyone else on earth besides the conference administrators and grifters taking advantage of that labor, it seems like a silly argument on its face.


There is an obvious reason for this cancellation, and it ain't the desire to aid the health and safety of players for having a season.
 

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The athletes aren't pulling these protocols and procedural demands out of thin air...


They could simply look to other leagues who have done this successfully. Or, more broadly, other countries who have done well to mitigate and contain the virus, some of whom are now even allowing fans back at games.

But alas...
I was assuming he was talking about the athlete's demanding/lobbying to play. Perhaps, not...
 
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It's as if these universities have a bunch of scientists on staff making arguments against a few player-athlete opinions or something.
Purdue has a chance at a good season, we have a historically good receiving core with a pass happy offense, that said I agree its not in the best interest to play this season, I don't see how they can, college is not pros and it is going to be very difficult for the student athletes to distance and do all they are required, sucks, but its reality.
 

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Say B1G and Pac12 cancel, but ACC, B12, SEC do.
What are the odds OSU has a season anyways?
 

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Say B1G and Pac12 cancel, but ACC, B12, SEC do.
What are the odds OSU has a season anyways?
Yeah I wonder if OSU could outside of the big ten and join one of those conferences for the year.
 

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Anything should be on the table for OSU. They've carried the flag for the B1G for 20 years, they need us a hell of a lot more than we need them. That's not even a Power 5 level conference without OSU.

Not to mention, if another conference manages to pull off a season this year, it will set the B1G back a decade.
 

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The athletes aren't pulling these protocols and procedural demands out of thin air...


They could simply look to other leagues who have done this successfully. Or, more broadly, other countries who have done well to mitigate and contain the virus, some of whom are now even allowing fans back at games.

But alas...
Let's start with one undeniable fact about our society during Covid-19: The economy drives governments to risk opening up social restrictions to more exposure, however each time there are sharp increases in both cases and fatalities, leading to strict lockdowns being reinstated.

The story is the same everywhere: Japan, Singapore, Hong Kong and Germany. Israel is as close to a gated community as a country could possibly be, leading to eased social restrictions on a grand scale, yet they have closed down schools.

My point here is that SEC states, who have both the political pressure to have next to zero social restrictions and a deep love of football, may decide to lead the way in playing amateur college football. That would not surprise me, despite an almost fanatical hatred of mandatory masks and an unquestioned rise in Covid-19 in their states.

Why should they dictate what Ohio should do over the scientific community, especially if it would be wildly irresponsible from a public health standpoint to fill the stadiums with fans?

This is public health vs. the almighty dollar, and in 2020, it is ignorant to view our social decisions without that lens.
 
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