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I wish the worst possible things in life onto Kevin Wilson. Fuck that guy.
I don’t think it’s our offensive coordinator’s fault.

But Kevin Warren? Yeah, that guy fucking sucks. At a minimum Delaney would’ve had the clout/balls to communicate.

The Big 10 is such a clusterfuck it’s almost unfathomable. Truly. What’s funny to me still, is they thought the rest of country would follow their lead. Instead they looked like an old washed up figurehead, that nobody respects anymore. Like a former hot chick who used to get all the attention and everything went her way. Now nobody gives a shit. And honestly, when you look at National landscape, nobody really cares if Big 10 plays or not. It’s viewed as a 1 team league, ESPN doesn’t have our tier 1 rights so they don’t really give AF as long as ACC and SEC are in, and the confernece just doesn’t have the power it used too. It’s embarrassing to watch.
 
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I don’t think it’s our offensive coordinator’s fault.

But Kevin Warren? Yeah, that guy fucking sucks. At a minimum Delaney would’ve had the clout/balls to communicate.

The Big 10 is such a clusterfuck it’s almost unfathomable. Truly. What’s funny to me still, is they thought the rest of country would follow their lead. Instead they looked like an old washed up figurehead, that nobody respects anymore. Like a former hot chick who used to get all the attention and everything went her way. Now nobody gives a shit. And honestly, when you look at National landscape, nobody really cares if Big 10 plays or not. It’s viewed as a 1 team league, ESPN doesn’t have our tier 1 rights so they don’t really give AF as long as ACC and SEC are in, and the confernece just doesn’t have the power it used too. It’s embarrassing to watch.
It’s a colossal failure. They thought they were going to be praised for going first, and that the rest of the conferences would follow suit. The PAC-12 did, but honestly no one cares about the PAC-12. They’re not the conference you want to coordinate with. They’ve only had a team make the playoff twice since it started in 2014. Two of the Power 5 conferences are starting this week, and a third is starting next week. In front of fans, nonetheless. Last week Marshall played in front of fans. And the Big Ten is sitting at home watching. The players want to play. The coaches want to play. The parents want them to play. What more do you need?
 
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Kevin Wilson is Ohio State's offensive coordinator. The Big Ten commissioner is Kevin Warren.
I don’t think it’s our offensive coordinator’s fault.

But Kevin Warren? Yeah, that guy fucking sucks. At a minimum Delaney would’ve had the clout/balls to communicate.

The Big 10 is such a clusterfuck it’s almost unfathomable. Truly. What’s funny to me still, is they thought the rest of country would follow their lead. Instead they looked like an old washed up figurehead, that nobody respects anymore. Like a former hot chick who used to get all the attention and everything went her way. Now nobody gives a shit. And honestly, when you look at National landscape, nobody really cares if Big 10 plays or not. It’s viewed as a 1 team league, ESPN doesn’t have our tier 1 rights so they don’t really give AF as long as ACC and SEC are in, and the confernece just doesn’t have the power it used too. It’s embarrassing to watch.
Lol damnit that's my bad. I was so mad I couldn't even spell that cocksuckers name right. Edited to correct. I actually love Kevin Wilson. Wish we had him in 2015 and 2016 instead of that clown show that was Ed Warriner and Tim Beck.
 

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It’s a colossal failure. They thought they were going to be praised for going first, and that the rest of the conferences would follow suit. The PAC-12 did, but honestly no one cares about the PAC-12. They’re not the conference you want to coordinate with. They’ve only had a team make the playoff twice since it started in 2014. Two of the Power 5 conferences are starting this week, and a third is starting next week. In front of fans, nonetheless. Last week Marshall played in front of fans. And the Big Ten is sitting at home watching. The players want to play. The coaches want to play. The parents want them to play. What more do you need?
It's political. It has to be. You can't say "it's for the safety of the kids" but meanwhile your fucking son is playing football. High school football is happening across the Big Ten landscape but the Big Ten teams aren't playing. It's asinine. Cincinnati is going to play college football this year but Ohio State isn't. And they're powerless to do anything about it because of a garbage commissioner and a bunch of liberal presidents with an agenda. And I say this as someone who doesn't like Trump, like at all. However, I would never take something away from thousands of kids and millions of fans all in the name of spite. It's shameful and spineless.
 

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It’s a colossal failure. They thought they were going to be praised for going first, and that the rest of the conferences would follow suit. The PAC-12 did, but honestly no one cares about the PAC-12. They’re not the conference you want to coordinate with. They’ve only had a team make the playoff twice since it started in 2014. Two of the Power 5 conferences are starting this week, and a third is starting next week. In front of fans, nonetheless. Last week Marshall played in front of fans. And the Big Ten is sitting at home watching. The players want to play. The coaches want to play. The parents want them to play. What more do you need?
The Big 10 went with the Pac 12 because they're aligned....for all purposes they're like husband/wife or brother/sister going back to Rose Bowl alliance.

But you also look at the Pac 12 and their member institutions that are also part of the AAU, and it aligns very closely to the Big 10 which has 12 of 14 institutions that are in AAU. The Pac 12 has (9) universities in AAU.

No other conferences are touching those numbers.

I stated it a while back, but the grant money you get for being in AAU dwarfs athletic department revenue. The downside for Big 10/Pac 12 is one lost season of college football revenue, but it can easily be absorbed. And then the negative blow back from fans, players, and families will be there, but I assume they (the university presidents and chancellors) are comfortable with that.

A lot of people forget the University of Chicago used to be in the Big 10 (was a founding member) until they bowed out in 1946 because they felt the conference was too focused on athletics. They are still an AAU member, but play DIII sports now and remain one of the finest academic institutions in the world.

The Big 10/Pac 12 are ultimately run by "academics". And when I use the term "academics" I'm primarily referring to the presidents and chancellors who are institutionalists who care about academic reputation and prestige of their departments ahead of any single athletic achievement. And there is often turmoil behind the scenes between the "academics" and athletic departments.

So when you see the Rutgers president come out and say things like "well you can see where the priorities lie in other conferences, but I'm proud to be in the Big 10 and my mind hasn't changed on sports" you see the chasm that exists. The "academics" in the Big 10/Pac 12 are flexing their muscle right now. I don't doubt the sincerity of their beliefs necessarily (that playing football in a pandemic is dangerous and risky, therefore football should be postponed until at least January) but it certainly comes across as short-sighted and obtuse.

If they can allow kids to risk permanent brain damage every time they strap a helmet on, it seems at odds with covid-19 which has less chance of killing an athlete than regular influenza. So it's frustrating as an outside fan looking in, as all these other conferences go forward. And are admittedly doing a very good job thus far......from some universities having over 30 confirmed cases, to getting those players quarantined and back in the fold, they've shown it's entirely possible. Some schools have multiple players opting to sit season out (whether its an upperclassmen who is going to turn pro or a freshman who is not comfortable playing) and some schools have positional coaches who are opting out of season with a commitment of getting their jobs back next season.

They're making it work.

I guess I understand the Big 10/Pac 12 decision, but I certainly don't like it. The Rutgers President said Trump "is using it to score cheap political points". Which I tend to agree with, but at that the same time, who is allowing that to happen?

Anyways, I'm not optimistic for fall football in Big 10. It feels like the decision is set in stone, especially with Wyatt Davis announcing for NFL today on top of the Rutgers Presidents comments. It's kind of agitating/painful watching schools like Notre Dame, Syracuse, Pitt, etc all getting ready for games while the Big 10 pushed for cancellation/postponement.

I do think there will be significant fall-out for many Big 10/Pac 12 programs....not all, but a lot. The Big 10/Pac 12 definitely thought they had more influence than they do.....the fact the ACC, SEC, and especially the Big 12 (which caught the Big 10 off-guard) are going forward, shows the dwindling power they once had. I think, easily in year 2000, the Big 10 and Pac 12 decision would've forced the other conferences hands. But things have changed a lot.....certainly with the explosion of the TV contracts and money on the table.
 
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It's political. It has to be. You can't say "it's for the safety of the kids" but meanwhile your fucking son is playing football. High school football is happening across the Big Ten landscape but the Big Ten teams aren't playing. It's asinine. Cincinnati is going to play college football this year but Ohio State isn't. And they're powerless to do anything about it because of a garbage commissioner and a bunch of liberal presidents with an agenda. And I say this as someone who doesn't like Trump, like at all. However, I would never take something away from thousands of kids and millions of fans all in the name of spite. It's shameful and spineless.
Yep. It's gutless and cowardly behavior from Kevin Warren and his Democratic Presidents.

Willingly harming the lives of their own student athletes for the sake of their Party.

As someone who very slightly leans left (or used to):

Fuck them.
 

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It's political. It has to be. You can't say "it's for the safety of the kids" but meanwhile your fucking son is playing football. High school football is happening across the Big Ten landscape but the Big Ten teams aren't playing. It's asinine. Cincinnati is going to play college football this year but Ohio State isn't. And they're powerless to do anything about it because of a garbage commissioner and a bunch of liberal presidents with an agenda. And I say this as someone who doesn't like Trump, like at all. However, I would never take something away from thousands of kids and millions of fans all in the name of spite. It's shameful and spineless.
Not to get into politics outside of the politics forum, but I agree that it’s become political. The map someone posted comparing states playing/not playing football to the 2016 electoral map is pretty strong evidence of that. They’re not helpless. Other conferences are showing that it can be done. So what’s the hold up?

I’m from Indiana. They’ve played high school football for several weeks now. I think today is week four. It hasn’t gone perfectly and some games have been canceled, but they’re making it work. High schools can figure out how to have a season but a P5 conference can’t? Embarrassing. And that’s without the testing capacities P5 conferences have. The President has said he is willing to get them the supplies they need to make the season happen. Notre Dame is playing tomorrow, yet Purdue and IU aren’t playing at all.Warren’s son playing is the cherry on top. ‘Oh, you guys can’t play because it’s not safe. Btw, I’ll be out for the next few hours because my son’s college team is playing right now and I want to watch.’ Smh.

And it’s not like the players are magically saved from catching covid if there isn’t a season. If anything, it increases the chances that they catch it because they no longer have a reason to try avoiding it. At the end of the day they know they’re young adults in good physical condition who are likely to have a mild case, if they get any symptoms at all. When you don’t have to worry about missing playing time if you catch it, you’re more likely to say say screw it and go to that party or other social function.
 

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By and large, everything I'm seeing on social media and across Big 10 forums (admittedly sports forums so the fans are going to want to play), people who say they are anti-Trump and democrat, feel this is political and are very turned off by the Big 10's current stance.

If this was somehow meant to be a political play to damage Trump (I'm not sure that's true), it definitely did not work. It's going the other way....hard.
 

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By and large, everything I'm seeing on social media and across Big 10 forums (admittedly sports forums so the fans are going to want to play), people who say they are anti-Trump and democrat, feel this is political and are very turned off by the Big 10's current stance.

If this was somehow meant to be a political play to damage Trump (I'm not sure that's true), it definitely did not work. It's going the other way....hard.
No doubt. The Big 10 somehow keeps digging themselves into a deeper hole.

They fucked up thinking they could cancel College Football without providing any sort of tangible reason. And now you have players literally citing the lack of communication from the commissioner as a reason for opting out. So they are also willingly harming their own student athletes, not just by cancelling, but by absolutely refusing to be honest and transparent about anything.

Given all these schools have tens of thousands of kids on their campuses and in dorms, given they are allowing kids to play intramural sports, given all the schools that are playing varsity sports (not to mention High School and younger)...

Yeah, at this point, it's impossible to feel this is anything but political. I literally can't think of anything else as a possibility. If the Big 10 had legitimate reasons to cancel, they absolutely would have communicated that to someone by now. There's no way they'd just allow themselves to get destroyed like this. Nobody could possibly be that incompetent and tone deaf.

One of two things will happen from here: Either the Big 10 will reinstate the Fall season, so they never have to answer these questions. Or, the lawyers won't stop until they get the answers in court. Either way, I can't wait.
 

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There seems to be more optimism today from multiple sauces about this vote coming...
 

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Yeah, at this point, it's impossible to feel this is anything but political. I literally can't think of anything else as a possibility. If the Big 10 had legitimate reasons to cancel, they absolutely would have communicated that to someone by now.
I'm going to suggest a different possibility, and I think it is consistent with what we know/have heard.

You have 14 different teams, and each of them has different reasons - or maybe similar reasons to which they all attach different weights - as to why they do or don't want to play. Then, they vote - or at least express their own intention to play or not play - and if there isn't a majority in favor of playing, they don't play.

There also is likely an internal policy/protocol/agreement that communications between Presidents/Chancellors and the Big Ten commissioner are to remain private, and not just with respect to Covid. I'd bet a shitload of money on that. Notice how none of the school presidents, even those who favor playing, say anything about the positions being taken by specific other schools that would reveal any such communications. Whatever is said between/among them stays there. So, the first reason Warren doesn't provide more information is because he isn't permitted to do so.

I also agree very much with @bob2the2nd that within those schools who don't want to play, one likely reason is anti-athletic academics flexing their muscle. In a year when most of their schools are going to suffer huge losses, they don't feel losing even more with athletics is justified. There may also be a sense that athletes shouldn't be prioritized over other students and faculty/administration when it comes to protecting them from Covid, and it is likely that some of the measures discussed included that.

I'd also guess that a lot of those internal debates at each school aren't passed on to the Big Ten anyway. Most of that stuff likely stays in-house, so even if Warren was permitted to reveal those discussions, he still wouldn't know exactly why each school decided what it did. So, he couldn't provide a detailed explanation even if he was permitted to do so, because he's not privy to all the internal debates at each school.

In any case, the only truly accurate explanation for why the Big Ten isn't playing is very simple -- the majority of its schools don't want to play. That's it.

Anyone who wants a more detailed explanation from the Big Ten is banging their head against the wrong wall. They need to be asking the individual schools to explain their internal decision-making.
 
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I'm going to suggest a different possibility, and I think it is consistent with what we know/have heard.

You have 14 different teams, and each of them has different reasons - or maybe similar reasons to which they all attach different weights - as to why they do or don't want to play. Then, they vote - or at least express their own intention to play or not play - and if there isn't a majority in favor of playing, they don't play.

There also is likely an internal policy/protocol/agreement that communications between Presidents/Chancellors and the Big Ten commissioner are to remain private, and not just with respect to Covid. I'd bet a shitload of money on that. Notice how none of the school presidents, even those who favor playing, say anything about the positions being taken by specific other schools that would reveal any such communications. Whatever is said between/among them stays there. So, the first reason Warren doesn't provide more information is because he isn't permitted to do so.

I also agree very much with @bob2the2nd that within those schools who don't want to play, one likely reason is anti-athletic academics flexing their muscle. In a year when most of their schools are going to suffer huge losses, they don't feel losing even more with athletics is justified. There may also be a sense that athletes shouldn't be prioritized over other students and faculty/administration when it comes to protecting them from Covid, and it is likely that some of the measures discussed included that.

I'd also guess that a lot of those internal debates at each school aren't passed on to the Big Ten anyway. Most of that stuff likely stays in-house, so even if Warren was permitted to reveal those discussions, he still wouldn't know exactly why each school decided what it did. So, he couldn't provide a detailed explanation even if he was permitted to do so, because he's not privy to all the internal debates at each school.

In any case, the only truly accurate explanation for why the Big Ten isn't playing is very simple -- majority of its schools don't want to play. That's it.

Anyone who wants a more detailed explanation from the Big Ten is banging their head against the wrong wall. They need to be asking the individual schools to explain their internal decision-making.
I don't really disagree with much (or any) of this. I just feel the reasons are overwhelmingly political. Or they just don't simply don't care enough to play. I personally don't think they had legitimate reasons, or we would have heard it by now. The Pac 12 managed to communicate their reasons for cancellation, the instant they cancelled. And they were very legitimate. This isn't that hard. There should be an official account of what led to the decision to cancel...if the vote passes in the next couple days, we'll never know what the hell happened here, and there's a good reason beyond "confidentiality" I think...if the vote doesn't pass, though, the lawyers won't stop until everything about this entire process is public knowledge. And I think it's pretty clear at this point the B1G does not want that to happen.
 

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Holy shit, I didn't realize Jordan Fuller was starting at Safety for the Rams. Wow! Good for him.
 

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