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Purely in terms of completing the fall football season, that's not a bad thing. The diseases was always going to hit the colleges eventually. The earlier it hits, the more likely it'll burn it's way through and let the season be completed afterwards.

Obviously, that's leaving aside whatever damage is done by the disease to those who get sick.
 
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There will likely be some type of bowl partnership with the Pac 12 including a Rose Bowl, but Big 10 and Pac 12 are left out of this years playoff.

The playoff will go forward with the top 4 teams of those conferences playing. So likely Clemson and 3 SEC teams.
Got it.

Well, this could be a bit of a throwback to the pre-BCS days, then. You'll have a fall champion as declared by CFP, but then if the Big Ten and Pac 10 both play in the spring, you'll get an argument that whichever team is on top at the end of that has a claim to being the best team as well. Especially if a lot of the OSU players actually do play in the spring. And I suspect there will be polls conducted during both seasons.
 

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Got it.

Well, this could be a bit of a throwback to the pre-BCS days, then. You'll have a fall champion as declared by CFP, but then if the Big Ten and Pac 10 both play in the spring, you'll get an argument that whichever team is on top at the end of that has a claim to being the best team as well. Especially if a lot of the OSU players actually do play in the spring. And I suspect there will be polls conducted during both seasons.
Yep. The CFP appears to be all in on Fall, but the AP and Coaches (other officially-recognized National Champion selectors) can wait til whenever they want to name their Champion via vote.
 

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Got it.

Well, this could be a bit of a throwback to the pre-BCS days, then. You'll have a fall champion as declared by CFP, but then if the Big Ten and Pac 10 both play in the spring, you'll get an argument that whichever team is on top at the end of that has a claim to being the best team as well. Especially if a lot of the OSU players actually do play in the spring. And I suspect there will be polls conducted during both seasons.
Unfortunately, there is only one playoff champion though, and that's the big prize. Sure, people could theorize of who is the better team, but it's just talk. You want the playoff championship.

In other news, Ohio State is allowing Fall intramural sports. I hope the Ohio State football team puts together a badass flag football team, and takes down the title.

Embarrassing.
 

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Unfortunately, there is only one playoff champion though, and that's the big prize. Sure, people could theorize of who is the better team, but it's just talk. You want the playoff championship.
I think that In The Year of Covid, and when two of the power 5 conferences aren't participating, the "talk" will actually matter to a lot of people because we're in uncharted territory. Also, it seems as though the majority of NCAA schools have cancelled fall sports. If those schools play in the spring, it's likely that there will actually be a lot more football in the spring than in the fall. And if that's the case, a lot of people aren't going to so readily accept the idea that the fall champion is truly representative.

In other news, Ohio State is allowing Fall intramural sports. I hope the Ohio State football team puts together a badass flag football team, and takes down the title.
No locker rooms, no training facilities, no travelling, no out of town accommodations, no special staff, no stadiums or courts, no bubble....It'll basically be no different than the exact same level contact those kids would get in classes or dining halls.

Completely different animal with completely different considerations.
 

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Thought both of these are relevant for this discussion:



The graph in the athletic department one is horribly misleading as it makes it appear as if basketball media rights makes more than football.

As I noted before, schools like OSU and Michigan self-fund their athletics programs. For schools that don’t, they’d have to go back and ask for more money from the board to cover not only Covid treatment but even just the normal operational budgets that the school typically covers. To me this was the bigger problem for the Presidents I. This whole situation.
 

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The graph in the athletic department one is horribly misleading as it makes it appear as if basketball media rights makes more than football.
The information in that article itself is interesting. As you say, presenting the graph by percentage of revenue for each sport by source is really kind of useless.

As I noted before, schools like OSU and Michigan self-fund their athletics programs. For schools that don’t, they’d have to go back and ask for more money from the board to cover not only Covid treatment but even just the normal operational budgets that the school typically covers. To me this was the bigger problem for the Presidents I. This whole situation.
I think that's a big issue as well. Do you know if the SEC, etc., are going ahead with all fall sports, or just football?
 

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I think that In The Year of Covid, and when two of the power 5 conferences aren't participating, the "talk" will actually matter to a lot of people because we're in uncharted territory. Also, it seems as though the majority of NCAA schools have cancelled fall sports. If those schools play in the spring, it's likely that there will actually be a lot more football in the spring than in the fall. And if that's the case, a lot of people aren't going to so readily accept the idea that the fall champion is truly representative.



No locker rooms, no training facilities, no travelling, no out of town accommodations, no special staff, no stadiums or courts, no bubble....It'll basically be no different than the exact same level contact those kids would get in classes or dining halls.

Completely different animal with completely different considerations.
The issue with Spring, as stated before, is your overall talent as a team, takes a huge dip when first round picks aren't playing. Could Ohio State exceed expectations with a Freshman QB? I guess.....but not the point they'd be considered better than the CFP champion.

The chances of these guys playing is incredibly small:

Shaun Wade
Josh Myers
Justin Fields
Wyatt Davis
Chris Olave

So it's disapppointing those guys put all the effort in, and had their last year ripped from them.

I disagree on the intramural point though. These are kids not under testing protocol, using athletic facilities daily, and doing things like making active contact with each-other. They do use athletic courts, there won't be social distancing during games, and because intramural athletes don't get tested on a regular basis, it increases the risks of spread.

As opposed to the football teams that were/are being tested 2/3 times a week and being asked to socially distance at all costs (although it becomes harder without the season now because the discipline to stay away from college life is far less when you're talking about practice).

I find extremely insulting to the football players, parents, and shows generally where the President's heads are at....I think it's pretty telling.
 
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The information in that article itself is interesting. As you say, presenting the graph by percentage of revenue for each sport by source is really kind of useless.



I think that's a big issue as well. Do you know if the SEC, etc., are going ahead with all fall sports, or just football?
The SEC has postponed fall sports with exception to football. They are stating publicly they want to have additional fall sports, but it's being delayed.

I'm not sure I believe them.....my guess is they postpone the non-revenue generating sports until Spring and focus their resources entirely to football, which helps pay for those sports anyways.
 

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The SEC has postponed fall sports with exception to football.
I can't help but laugh at that. I can completely understand why a whole bunch of other conferences are unwilling to do that.
 

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I can't help but laugh at that. I can completely understand why a whole bunch of other conferences are unwilling to do that.
When football pays for those sports, I think it's an easy sell to the students on scholarship of those non-revenue generating sports.

Imagine being a cross country runner at LSU? "We think it's bullshit the football team gets to play in the fall, and our season is being postponed!!!"

AD: "OK, we'll cancel the football season and drop the cross country team altogether. We can't afford it now".

Cross Country Runner: "I'm cool with running in the spring. Geaux Tigers!!!"

Football holds P5 athletic departments up....they should operate differently.

But you're right in the sense the Big 10 and Pac 12 have the pockets to take that stand. They're Academic conferences first (tied in with the AAU) versus sports leagues first. The SEC, Big 12, and ACC largely cannot say the same thing. They need the television money to help the financial burden they're feeling within athletic department. Those schools don't make the billions of dollars the Pac 12 and Big 10 do, in grant money from the government for being researchers within the AAU.

Again, 12 of 14 Big 10 schools are in AAU....that money dwarfs athletics. By far more AAU members than any other conference.

That said, I think the Big 10 Presidents have done an AWFUL job managing this, and have done irreparable damage to the conference in relation to sports. I don't think OSU will be crushed by it, but other programs that aren't producing talent like OSU will certainly have trouble recruiting against this headwind.
 
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The chances of these guys playing is incredibly small:

Shaun Wade
Josh Myers
Justin Fields
Wyatt Davis
Chris Olave

So it's disapppointing those guys put all the effort in, and had their last year ripped from them.
I just have a really hard time feeling more sorry for those particular football players than for any other college athlete. For many young men and women, this is the very last chance they'll have ever to play their beloved sport competitively. NFL-level talent will get to play again many times. I honestly feel even less sorry for them. I just don't get why their greater ability makes their emotional loss any greater.

I disagree on the intramural point though. These are kids not under testing protocol, using athletic facilities daily, and doing things like making active contact with each-other. They do use athletic courts, there won't be social distancing during games, and because intramural athletes don't get tested on a regular basis, it increases the risks of spread.
College kids will have close contact all the time anyway. Even without big parties, there will still be a lot of smaller get-togethers, people eating at the same table, dating, sex, etc.. A ton of intramurals are outside -- they're not breathing the same aid in a weight room, etc.., except to the same extent campus gyms are open to students in general. In which case, playing intramurals is irrelevant.

I played both intramurals and intercollegiate (rowing) in school, and the amount of close contact/confinement you have as a college athlete is significantly more. Meetings, workouts, travelling in a bus or by plane, etc..

I find extremely insulting to the football players, parents, and shows generally where the President's heads are at....I think it's pretty telling.
Again, I truly do not understand why the lives and interests of football players should be considered more special or important than anyone else's. They're not.
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When football pays for those sports, I think it's an easy sell to the students on scholarship of those non-revenue generating sports.

Imagine being a cross country runner at LSU? "We think it's bullshit the football team gets to play in the fall, and our season is being postponed!!!"

AD: "OK, we'll cancel the football season and drop the cross country team altogether. We can't afford it now".
If you assume that all those scholarships would disappear if football wasn't played in the fall for this one season, that's true. But I don't think that is true, and there are a ton of schools other than Big 10/AAU schools that have cancelled fall sports but not wiped out all athletic scholarships.
 

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I just have a really hard time feeling more sorry for those particular football players than for any other college athlete. For many young men and women, this is the very last chance they'll have ever to play their beloved sport competitively. NFL-level talent will get to play again many times. I honestly feel even less sorry for them. I just don't get why their greater ability makes their emotional loss any greater.



College kids will have close contact all the time anyway. Even without big parties, there will still be a lot of smaller get-togethers, people eating at the same table, dating, sex, etc.. A ton of intramurals are outside -- they're not breathing the same aid in a weight room, etc.., except to the same extent campus gyms are open to students in general. In which case, playing intramurals is irrelevant.

I played both intramurals and intercollegiate (rowing) in school, and the amount of close contact/confinement you have as a college athlete is significantly more. Meetings, workouts, travelling in a bus or by plane, etc..



Again, I truly do not understand why the lives and interests of football players should be considered more special or important than anyone else's. They're not.
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Beyond enjoying college football as a product more than any other sport, the fact these kids generate so much revenue for all other scholarship athletes, without being fairly compensated, is a testament to them. Even without being fairly compensated, these first rd NFL draft picks are screaming "we want to play like the rest of the P5". And they're being ignored.

I get where you're coming from....I'd just simply state, many of those other college scholarship athletes, wouldn't have scholarships, if not for the football team. So yeah, I hold them in higher regard. The average college football player is not going to the NFL. The average college player still generates a shitload of revenue by being a cog in the wheel that produces hundreds of millions of dollars a year to fund the rest of the athletic department. While risking their personal health (which they do beyond Covid-19 every time they strap up). So yeah, I do hold college football players in higher esteem. And that's not a slight to any other non-revenue generating sport....just my opnion.
 

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