2020 Draft Prospects Thread

[Randolphkeys]

Malik Harrison, from what I've seen so far, is the most exciting linebacker fit for the Browns in terms of value and how he plays linebacker. Would be the Fred Warner of the Browns defense, just a dude who runs around and makes a ton of plays.

Logan Wilson of Wyoming is ranked neck and neck with Harrison, and I prefer him by a hair. His play in zone coverage is the best in the class, and he is just as athletic as Harrison. I'd be happy with either after they address LT and safety.

 

[CBBI]

Malik Harrison, from what I've seen so far, is the most exciting linebacker fit for the Browns in terms of value and how he plays linebacker. Would be the Fred Warner of the Browns defense, just a dude who runs around and makes a ton of plays.

41 is probably a little too rich, but Harrison could/should be firmly in the mix at 74.

 

[chrisrich91]

Malik Harrison, from what I've seen so far, is the most exciting linebacker fit for the Browns in terms of value and how he plays linebacker. Would be the Fred Warner of the Browns defense, just a dude who runs around and makes a ton of plays.

How does he project in coverage? I’ve mostly heard of him as a run stopping thumper, but admittedly don’t know much about him myself.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

How does he project in coverage? I’ve mostly heard of him as a run stopping thumper, but admittedly don’t know much about him myself.

He blew away the combine. So it could be a matter that he just hasn't developed the proper technique or it could be just a weakness in his game. It's not a physical thing.

He's so well coached, that I'm a little weary of him making huge strides in his coverage. He takes real bad routes to pick up guys out of the backfield, though. Not sure if you teach that, if it's a bad habit, or if it's just a flaw in his game.

 

[PITCavsFan]

"10 or so"

So a recent mock I have seen where a team traded up in that "10 or so" range is the Eagles: currently sitting at 21. With the almost certainty that the Raiders are going to take a WR with their #12 pick, it makes sense if Phili wants a WR, they would trade up ahead of them to take their pickings. They could trade us #21 and their 2nd rounder (53rd) to move up. They would still have their 3rd rounder and they also have (3) 4th round picks.

Just one of the teams that may have a deal already with us in place. We just have to hope Ezra is there still at #21 otherwise we may be "forced" to take Josh Jones or Austin Jackson, who may not be able to slide right into a starter on Day 1..?

And at the end of it it would give us an extra 2nd rounder to go along with our (2) 3rd rounders. That can be a lot of good talent to add 5 guys within the first 3 rounds.

At this point, I would hate to keep accumulating future picks. We need to start winning now.

There are 3 other teams with multiple later 1st round picks this year:

- I don't see Miami (#18 and #26) as the type of team that would do a 2-for-1 deal now given they are just starting their rebuild.
- San Francisco has #13 and #31, but I think #31 is probably too much for moving up just 3 spots.
- I could see Minnesota (#22 and #25) going for it....especially since, as you mentioned WR, they could be looking for one after the Diggs trade. Obviously, there is the Stefanski connection there too.

Just a thought.

 

[SixPACK]

At this point, I would hate to keep accumulating future picks. We need to start winning now.


- I could see Minnesota (#22 and #25) going for it....especially since, as you mentioned WR, they could be looking for one after the Diggs trade. Obviously, there is the Stefanski connection there too.

Just a thought.

Oh I don't want to grab another 1st next year. Unless they give us their 1st this year, another 3-4th rounder this year, AND the 2021 1st, then so be it. But I am talking about swapping 1st's and then getting their 2nd THIS year.

And good call out. Didn't even think about MINN w/Diggs leaving them. That is a GREAT possibility.

 

[bob2the2nd]

At this point, I would hate to keep accumulating future picks. We need to start winning now.

There are 3 other teams with multiple later 1st round picks this year:

- I don't see Miami (#18 and #26) as the type of team that would do a 2-for-1 deal now given they are just starting their rebuild.
- San Francisco has #13 and #31, but I think #31 is probably too much for moving up just 3 spots.
- I could see Minnesota (#22 and #25) going for it....especially since, as you mentioned WR, they could be looking for one after the Diggs trade. Obviously, there is the Stefanski connection there too.

Just a thought.

So that minny trade is interesting. However its too rich for the vikings (From a draft value perspective). Browns would need to throw in either the first 3rd rounder (10th in the round), or their 2nd 3rd rounder (33rd in the round), plus their fourth rounder (9th).

My biggest concern is that you give up having a high end LT ready to step in.

 

[bronko]

So that minny trade is interesting. However its too rich for the vikings (From a draft value perspective). Browns would need to throw in either the first 3rd rounder (10th in the round), or their 2nd 3rd rounder (33rd in the round), plus their fourth rounder (9th).

My biggest concern is that you give up having a high end LT ready to step in.

I wouldn't add the extra picks, defeats the value of the trade. Still, I could support a trade down if they like a guy like Cleveland. The longer Peters and T Williams stay available, the lower their asking price will become and the more likely Berry can swoop in to make a steal. That would give us a shot at BPA in the draft without major concern. Peters would give someone like Ezra time to develop, Trent would largely take away the urgency of anymore than a backup tackle being needed. Signing one of those two or Simmons dropping to 10 are the only scenarios for not taking the best tackle in the first round.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Lots of overthinking going on with the top pick. It would be interesting to create theories where the Browns trade down. I thought weeks ago that Berry might be able to arrange something mutually beneficial with the Eagles, after working in their building the past year.

But talking myself into a project tackle who probably belongs in the second round instead of a plug and play left tackle at #10 sounds like some Medieval self flagellation. Tackle is a high value position, like a defensive end who can generate sacks. We aren't talking about a hole at strong safety or right guard here.

If I have to watch Ezra Cleveland get beat for two years as he steadily gets a little better, all in the name of an extra second day pick in 2021 and some beads and trinkets this year, I'm going to be pointing out how well these other blue chippers are performing elsewhere. I don't think Berry wants fans doing that either after all the quarterbacks they avoided drafting for years.

 

[DJTJ]

Ezra Cleveland tape reminds me of Kolton Miller, and I’d rather just absolutely not.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

How are you guys feeling about Xavier McKinney?

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Ezra Cleveland tape reminds me of Kolton Miller, and I’d rather just absolutely not.

Seems like a low floor kind of guy. There comes a point where technique requires a certain level of power to be effective, and if you lack that, then all the technique in the world isn't going to save you, and you bust. And he's clearly not a guy who can be moved inside because he lacks the power of a guard.

On the plus side, I don't know how good Boise State's strength program is, so perhaps a real NFL strength program could help him. That might be something they would normally explore in interviews to ask what he has done so far to help develop strength. Of course, this offseason and the closing of facilities means that he won't get the normal offseason strength program, which basically puts him one season behind in terms of developing more strength.

 

[Jordan]

How are you guys feeling about Xavier McKinney?

I’m a fan... I just think he will go too early for the Browns to have a shot at him. He’s not as good in coverage as Delpit, but is also a much better tackler. He’s also a phenomenal pass rusher.

 

[sportscoach]

Thank you for going into detail... But I have a couple of comments.. this draft list is very defense oriented. I am thinking we are a much better defensive team, than an offensive team right now.. Looking at our current offensive roster, I think we are set in the back field , but we have some big gaps on the O-Line, and at wide receiver. Beyond Landry and Beckham, pretty much everybody sucked last year.. I can see the argument that Baker sucked because the O-Line was below average, but I think we should consider looking for real speed or length at WR higher in the draft, and we should consider more than one O-Line guy. I am on board with the best O-Line guy available at 10, but I think we should also keep an eye for an upside pick further down.

I welcome other points of view on this..

I mean I don't disagree but at the same time it is not like we have long term pieces at either S positions, we cut/let go of almost all our veteran LBs. We need to find long term pieces for a bunch of defensive spots as well. I feel really after LT in the first round it will be a BPA focus with certain positions winning the tiebreakers if prospects have the same rating.

I hated our OLine last season, but it's not like our defense was super great either plus we lost our veteran LBs, S etc and only signed stop gaps to replace them. We have to focus on both filling in needs and long term potential for the roster.

So at @CBBI who else did you like at 74 and 97 in your mock draft? Those could be two picks that could have chosen a WR instead to fill in the whole there. To me DLine isnt the priority in the draft but if they were 100% BPA then I dont mind the picks.

 

[CBBI]

So at @CBBI who else did you like at 74 and 97 in your mock draft? Those could be two picks that could have chosen a WR instead to fill in the whole there. To me DLine isnt the priority in the draft but if they were 100% BPA then I dont mind the picks.

This is going to sound really cliché, but the Browns addressed enough of their glaring immediate needs via free agency that quite literally every pick can be BPA.

The only positions that I would rule out from being addressed in the first four rounds are...

Quarterback
Specialists (K, P, LS)

Every other position *could* be addressed if the value is right.

Like hypothetically... the Browns could trade Kareem Hunt and if somehow they're sitting there at 74 and JK Dobbins is there? Running back isn't necessarily a need, but he would be the best player available.

Looking at it logically, it definitely feels like LT will be their first selection either at 10 or further back in the first round after a trade down and then some combination of S, CB, iDL, EDGE, off ball LB, WR, TE with their next 3-4 picks.